Minutes of the FIGGY BAR RT Conference. Date: 12/01/88 Time: 22:09EST Attendees: [[Gary] GARY-S] [L.FORSLEY] [Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS] Items discussed: (inter)national FIG chapters coordinator agenda, spreading the Forth philosophy on Unix, George Shaw & ACM Minutes: <[Gary] GARY-S> is here. Hi gary <[Gary] GARY-S> Hey Larry - welcome to an empty conference Slow night eh? <[Gary] GARY-S> dead so far - some start this way Well, I'll go have dinner and return. <[Gary] GARY-S> Did you try the press acct ? by the by, the he press account is working. <[Gary] GARY-S> super ! thanks. has left. <[Gary] GARY-S> you bet ! Thank you ! <[Gary] GARY-S> is here. <[Gary] GARY-S> You just missed Forsley - <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> He ducked just before i tossed ... :-) <[Gary] GARY-S> I'd rather save it for a week anyway, and I bet you'd jump right in ! <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> you bet ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> btw ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> am right this second editing <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> replies i got from the net ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> so excuse if i "swap you out" of core from time to time ! <[Gary] GARY-S> do what ? <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> like a mainframe ... paged virtual memory ... being on GEnie gets "swapped out" <[Gary] GARY-S> oh - now i understand <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> as i flip screens ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> to edit these replies & save ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> . <[Gary] GARY-S> no prob - gotta question for you <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> ok shoot. <[Gary] GARY-S> Once you set your Coordinator agenda include a conference here - ok ? <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> intend to have confs here myself with chapter leaders! <[Gary] GARY-S> I mean an open guest conference to establish your goals <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> the goals will be set by the Board <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> I just am looking for a change to meet every forther in the World! <[Gary] GARY-S> BUT - you still will be the body of those goals <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> chance, that is. <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> That's an intersting way of putting it ... <[Gary] GARY-S> Oh well - do let me know when to put you on the calendar <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> I think more of being the receptionist at the office of those goals. <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> Anyway ... what is the goal? to popularise Forth ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> to make palatable to the public what they should leap at the chance of tasting without being prodded. <[Gary] GARY-S> You're the coordinator - what are your goals... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> My goals? To stay employed thru the coming recession :-) <[Gary] GARY-S> I think the first is to re-establish chapter links <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> seriously though ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> to encourage the chapters to take active steps to spread the knowledge of FORTH which they embody ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> especially to the young ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> since academia ignores FORTH .. <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> and it is our responsibility ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> to produce FORTH programmers in numbers ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> that can convince industry that FORTH is a viable investment in maintainable code. <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> If we start now ... <[Gary] GARY-S> again ! I think you MUST first re-establish links with the chapters - there's a lot of lost communication and faith with FIG <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> in six years we can produce and entire new generation ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> of FORTH programmers. <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> . <[Gary] GARY-S> sorry about the steps - did you copy <[Gary] GARY-S> . <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> right. <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> Well, i put out the call ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> as you know ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> on the NET ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> so far three responses. <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> in two days . <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> One of them from Draper ... <[Gary] GARY-S> I think you'll have to snail mail some <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> who says, yes he can help put FIG in the heart of the Evil Empire ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> Snail mail will emanate from FIG central in CA <[Gary] GARY-S> Guess you saw GEnie says 'NO' to crunch <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> It is not yet clear how all this is going to coordinate ... the chapter coordinator is a little uncoordinated from FIG ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> But am burning rubber, even if not getting very far just yet! :-) <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> . <[Gary] GARY-S> Even with Ruffer on the board we have comm probs with FIG office <[Gary] GARY-S> It's pretty absurd, but that's the system (or lack thereof) <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> Right, it is a classic syndrom of small non-profits . .. <[Gary] GARY-S> . <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> they laugh when I say this .... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> but I am very serious when I say ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> that the model for FIG is the United States Chess Federation ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> a small non-profit catering to a tiny interest group ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> composed of pros feuding with amateurs ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> an not mucho $$$. <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> . <[Gary] GARY-S> It's apropro <[Gary] GARY-S> btw - I am fw on Wet <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> huh? <[Gary] GARY-S> There's a Unix BBS in san Francisco called Wetware Diversions... <[Gary] GARY-S> that has more class and programming than the... <[Gary] GARY-S> name implies, though it does support a bawdy conference too... <[Gary] GARY-S> anyway they want a forth conf on there... <[Gary] GARY-S> ergo ! That's why all the questions about cforth <[Gary] GARY-S> . <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> hmm <[Gary] GARY-S> 753-5265 - I'll be starting the conf shortly <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> ok, glad to hear that things are hopping in SF vis - a - vis Forth under UNIX ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> but the WELL's class is only part the programming of its aging, overloaded vax ... <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> it is more the fact that it is the "root dir" for a few hundred .. <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> of the shakers and movers of my g-g-g-generation. <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> . <[Gary] GARY-S> oh - there's no competition at all... <[Gary] GARY-S> it's just an opportunity to spread more forth philosophy <[Gary] GARY-S> . <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> as such, I approve. <[Gary] GARY-S> thank you <[Gary] GARY-S> don't be surprised if there are other questions <[Gary] GARY-S> . <[Gary] GARY-S> wonder if dave has seen the george shaw conference date <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> dave? <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> weinstein? <[Gary] GARY-S> weinstein <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> hmmm .. is he a gshaw fan? <[Gary] GARY-S> oh geeze - are you kidding ? <[Gary] GARY-S> he's a big ACM fan at least <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> ok <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> where is the rest of the gang tonite? speaking of dhw <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> . <[Gary] GARY-S> he's been talking about little else but the sigforth acm and the austin bash in feb <[Gary] GARY-S> duno <[Gary] GARY-S> I was just starting to kill it when larry showed up - then you <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> ok, well I have to send some email on the well! <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> catch you there ... ps, i fixed the menus. <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> . <[Gary] GARY-S> there are some bad messages lately - have you noticed <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> hmm what? <[Gary] GARY-S> partial ones on the WELL <[Gary] GARY-S> just a few - so don't get hyper <[Gary] GARY-S> oh - did you get your dec FD yet ? <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> huh? <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> what bad messages? <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> yes got december 4D <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> . <[Gary] GARY-S> did you read my column - you got front billing <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> Foof! i think the best way to make a fool of a man is to quote him. ( M. Twain) <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> . <[Gary] GARY-S> m twain said 'FOOF' ? <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> No, the FOOF was mine. <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> (C) 1988 j.woehr <[Gary] GARY-S> say 'goodnight' gracie <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> goodnite, gracie. <[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> has left. === End of Steno notes. ===