Minutes of the FIGGY BAR RT Conference.
     
Date: 11/10/88   Time: 22:20EST
Attendees:
[[Gary] GARY-S]
[[I'm not here] D.RUFFER]
[[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS]
  ITEM DISCUSSED : A very pointed review of JFAR non-performance.
Minutes:
<D.RUFFER> is here.
<[Gary] GARY-S> I was just going to shut it down - no customers
<D.RUFFER> Hello Gary
<D.RUFFER> yeh, only you?
<[Gary] GARY-S> yep
<[Gary] GARY-S> and you
<D.RUFFER> well gee
<D.RUFFER> ya wanna talk about anything?
<D.RUFFER> I just posted the survey results
<[Gary] GARY-S> ForthNet is a qualified failure but the turorial looks good
<D.RUFFER> why failure?
<[Gary] GARY-S> any surprises on the survey ?
<D.RUFFER> nothing really surprising
<[Gary] GARY-S> back to ForthNet
<[Gary] GARY-S> a) no activity...
<[Gary] GARY-S> b) we have got to make software do the...
<[Gary] GARY-S> muling, not me.
<[Gary] GARY-S> comments ??
<D.RUFFER> not unusual
<D.RUFFER> muling?
<[Gary] GARY-S> porting messages like a mule (ass ? )
<D.RUFFER> agreed, never did sound workable
<D.RUFFER> Fido has a feature like that
<D.RUFFER> but everyone's not using that
<[Gary] GARY-S> as does pcnet
<[Gary] GARY-S> xCFB's on PC
<D.RUFFER> ah well, good attempt anyway
<[Gary] GARY-S> it's not dead yet - not totally
<[Gary] GARY-S> we need to find a person to give us a pc for a network server.
<[Gary] GARY-S> what the hell - wish for something useful, right ?
<D.RUFFER> good, hopfully nether is the ANS stuff
<D.RUFFER> I don't care to volunteer mine...
<[Gary] GARY-S> that's in your corner (ANS)
<D.RUFFER> even though I now have a new laptop...
<D.RUFFER> that's why we are here, instead of on ECFB
<D.RUFFER> are you using a PC now?
<[Gary] GARY-S> nope
<D.RUFFER> there's a new GEnbie navigator for PCs..
<D.RUFFER> it's pretty nice!
<[Gary] GARY-S> oh - know anyone wants to buy a new (brand new) Mitsubishi 286 
laptop for $500 off ?
<D.RUFFER> no, but why the deal?
<[Gary] GARY-S> Donald Long bought it with 1 4x4 hard card, the works and is 
ticked there's no battery
<D.RUFFER> tell him to buy a 386 GRiD like I did :-)
<[Gary] GARY-S> I will - that's what he needs
<D.RUFFER> they're running a special right now
<FIGCHAPTERS> is here.
<[Gary] GARY-S> He cahnges computers like others change socks
<D.RUFFER> blue LCD, 20 Meg, 2400 B modem. 1.4M floppy 2 Meg RAM
<D.RUFFER> for $5600 :-(
<D.RUFFER> hi jack
<[Gary] GARY-S> Donald got the Mitsu ($3400 package) at discount for $2600...
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> hi gang!
<[Gary] GARY-S> and will sell to the first hot prospect for $2100
<D.RUFFER> any of the 386s are >5K
<[Gary] GARY-S> Jack W - could you use the UK addresses ?
<[Gary] GARY-S> Jax ??
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> hello?
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> Oh them!
<[Gary] GARY-S> answer me
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> UK addresses...
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> JDHALL said that he would prefer ...
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> that I take no precipitous action ...
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> until FIG Board has chance to approve my interrment .
.. er, appointment!
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<D.RUFFER> :-)
<D.RUFFER> it's on my agenda jack
<D.RUFFER> meeting is going to be Sunday
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> appreciate that, dennis .. jd did not mean to imply .
..
<[Gary] GARY-S> Are they REALLY going to say,"No" ? come on !!
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> that he opposed such ...
<D.RUFFER> NEVER
<D.RUFFER> not once we got him "hooked" that is <grin>
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> he just felt that these things, in the words of the 
WIcked Witch of the West, "Must be handled very carefully."
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> In my view, this is best ...
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> the last thing a thinly-spread organization like FIG 
needs ...
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> is a bunch of people running around representing 
them! without authorization and the terms agreed upon.
<[Gary] GARY-S> give me a break - how uncareful is the simple courtesy of 
contacting chapters ? Geeze...
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> I have already discovered ...
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> that FIG has a slightly different view of What Is To 
Be Done than I do.
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<D.RUFFER> there's a lot of people out there to piss off Jack.  John just is 
being careful.  Glad to see you understand
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> I used to work in radio. I have held elective Union 
office. I understand.
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<D.RUFFER> I learned(ing) that it is best to figure out the nature of the 
"beast" before trying to make it roll over
<[Gary] GARY-S> There'll be jobs in the Dallas area in acouple of years
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> and also how long the whip you are to be provided 
with.
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> Dennis ... is it time for my monthly query? :-)
<D.RUFFER> query?
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> WHERE IS JFAR ???????????????????????????????????????
?????????????????
<D.RUFFER> ah, that one :-)
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> He has nine days to deliver three quarterly issues.
<D.RUFFER> well at least you can yell at him direct
<D.RUFFER> L.FORSLEY
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> when.
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> ..?
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> My beef: ...
<D.RUFFER> didn't he say they were at the presses already :-)
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> Last year at FIG COnference they raised the annual 
subscription from $40 to $50 ...
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> I paid and received issue V.1
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> Now it is convention time. For my $50 I expect V.2, 
V.3, V.4 shortly. Or something. Huh?
<[Gary] GARY-S> Well - Larry made up for the increased cost the same way the 
post office did - worse service (none?)
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> This is embarrasing for Forth.
<D.RUFFER> I'll probably see him at the convention
<D.RUFFER> should I bitch?
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> Why bother? The FBI investigates mail fraud ... :-(
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<D.RUFFER> true, maybe I warn him so he can skip the country <grin>
<[Gary] GARY-S> wow ! what a persuasive argument for better service
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> Can't beat it with a stick! :-)
<[Gary] GARY-S> gold star jax
<D.RUFFER> if he doesn't do something soon, he sure will be gilty :-(
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> I think it is an embarrassment to Forth. He should 
either publish or admit he's broke.
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> If he's broke, we should try to figure out how to 
bail the magazine out.
<D.RUFFER> doubt broke, but out of time is more likely
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> But he makes it look like Intent To Screw, 1st 
degreee.
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> Forth *needs* an academic journal.
<[Gary] GARY-S> This is going up - unedited
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> I support JFAR ( $50 worth, anyway! :-)) ...
<D.RUFFER> uh...
<[Gary] GARY-S> It needs to
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> He owes his subscribers a letter, at least to 
explain what the problem is.
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> THis is a Forth community issue.
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> JFAR has always been a source of pride to me as a 
Forth programmer, and I
<[Gary] GARY-S> The commerce department says after 30 days of non-performance - 
I KNOW !
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> am personally embarrassed by its unnanounced 
discontinuation and Larry's evasive replies to queries here on GENIE.
<[I'm not here] D.RUFFER> well, we have started "sharing" between IFAP and FIG
<[Gary] GARY-S> What is IFAP ?
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> IFAR.
<[I'm not here] D.RUFFER> maybe I'll have a heart to heart with him at the 
convention
<[I'm not here] D.RUFFER> oops
<[I'm not here] D.RUFFER> The Institute of Forth App and Research
<[Gary] GARY-S> copy this after I post it in the library
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> He has had *three* heart-to-hearts here on GEnie.
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> One in the BBS ...
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> One in an open conference ...
<[I'm not here] D.RUFFER> no editing Gary? <smile>
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> One in his personal Guest Conference ...
<[Gary] GARY-S> nope - none !
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> and each time he promised imminent delivery.
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> His mail bureau also promised imminent delivery to 
me ... BACK IN APRIL.
<[I'm not here] D.RUFFER> promises are like ass holes?
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> ( by phone) .
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> This important resource of Forth scholarship can not 
be ignored by our community if we expect to be taken seriously.
<[Gary] GARY-S> You HAVE to make good on a mail promise or refund ! and at $50.
00 we are talking felony
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> If he can't publish, he should turn to the Forth 
community for help.
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> ( I would not complain to the authorities, we should 
stop joking about that.)
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> But I *would* complain to the Forth community, and 
am doing so, right now here on our official electronic voice.
<[I'm not here] D.RUFFER> but the warning, is taken seariously
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> As we know if we read the library, many people 
download this conference.
<[Gary] GARY-S> I'm not going to the authorities but he should be aware of the 
possibility existing someone could
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> I have a feeling that this issue will be discussed 
more after this conference is published.
<[I'm not here] D.RUFFER> I'll pass the word along
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> I bear Larry no ill will ... I just think it should 
not be allowed that JFAR falls to the ground in a vacuum.
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> This is a good point to end this conference unless there are 
additional points...
<[Gary] GARY-S> the single issue as presented makes a vivid point
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> ( one on top of each of our heads!)
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> ( points, that is)
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> three points in that sentence ... redundundundancy ?
<[Jack Woehr] FIGCHAPTERS> could you repeat that that?
<[Gary] GARY-S> no
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