Minutes of the FIGGY BAR for 4 Aug 1988
        
Date: 08/04/88   Time: 22:30EDT
Attendees:
[[Gary] GARY-S]
[[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN]
[[Actually Jax] VESTA]
[[Dennis] D.RUFFER]
[[Chris] C.KOVACS1]
[[Rock] R.FRANZEN]
[[Len] NMORGENSTERN]
[P.KOZIAR]
           
Items discussed: Host vs Native, LMI+ & URForth, Job rumors at Harris,
                 JFAR publishing schedule (?), FIG mail responses (?)             
Minutes:
<C.KOVACS1> is here.
<[Gary] GARY-S> h'lo
<[Gary] GARY-S> You're the first customer
<C.KOVACS1> Hello Gary, not many people here yet...  How many people usually 
check in?
<[Gary] GARY-S> usually about 5 on these Thursday sessions, but can get busy !
<R.FRANZEN> is here.
<[Gary] GARY-S> How's California ?
<[Gary] GARY-S> Well - we've got both coasts now
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> Very good... Calif is great lately, cooled down quite abit
<[Gary] GARY-S> Chris - what is your involvement in Forth
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> Gary - well I have played around with forth for many years 
but really haven't
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> done anything interesting with it
<[Gary] GARY-S> What are you running on ?
<[Gary] GARY-S> Don't mean to ignore you Rock - Hi ! Chris, what micro are you 
using ?
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> I have an IBM running F83 forth.. Like it very much.  Got 
into forth with the 6502 processor then to a cp/m system running Micro-L
abs forth k
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> Hi, ya'll
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> Hi Rock..
<[Gary] GARY-S> I'm still using CP/M
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> I've used CP/m fig-forth.
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> I still have a Xerox 820-II running F83 forth, love it!!
<[Gary] GARY-S> Have you had a chance to pull some of the utilities off our 
Library - there's some great F83 extensions
<[Gary] GARY-S> I just got rid of my Xerox 820
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> Yes, sure have Gary...  I like the F83 forth better than 
the Fig-forth, Rock.
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> Lucky you Gary!! I can get many now for nothing, ha ha..
<[Gary] GARY-S> Rock , any news from Flrida ?
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> Now I use pre-POLYforth at work & Amiga Multi-Forth at home.
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> Rumor:  (Harris is just across street).  Harris needs an 
_experienced_
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> forther for their FORCE project.  Drivers, compilers, etc.
<[Gary] GARY-S> What level of Multi-Forth are you using ?/ Harris would be an 
interesting place , have you considered it ?
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> On Amiga, there is only 1 level, version 1.23 is what I have.
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> I'd love Harris job, but I like what I do now.
<[Gary] GARY-S> Rock - I have the original Owens Valley Forth Handbook - and I 
have to believe it is VERY similar to the one you are image processing
with
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> I am looking for a Forth that is multi-user/multitasking 
and uses more that 64k that runs on an IBM, Iam I asking too much?? k
<[Gary] GARY-S> No - call LMI - tell Ray what you want. He has LMI + and URForth
<[Gary] GARY-S> Both run over 64K
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> Chris, why do you need greater than 64k dictionary?
<NMORGENSTERN> is here.
<VESTA> is here.
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> For different users??  I want to get my kids interesting 
in computing and what a better way..
<[Gary] GARY-S> Rock - this book lists the PDP-11 implementation - has to be 
yours !
<[Gary] GARY-S> Chris - do you have LMI's number ?
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> Gary- no I dont can you give it to me?
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> I'm not familiar with Owen's valley manual.  It very well 
might be related.
<[Gary] GARY-S> Geeze - Jax ! You are keeping your word on the WELL - it has 
really picked up !!!!!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> LMI bbs 213 306-3530
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Post more, GARY.
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> Hello Jax and Len
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Hi
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Hi!
<[Gary] GARY-S> You can get a copy of the Owens Valley manual from CalTech's 
bookstore
<[Gary] GARY-S> Did you get my reply on Colo Mines AI BBS, Jax ?
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Yes. Wasn't sure it was you!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> "Smith" is not exactly a rare name.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> ... :-)
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> I just had to let you know you can run, but you can't hide :-)
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> What is topic 2nite?
<[Gary] GARY-S> roll your own - I was going to make it Greg's flames but 
anything is OK
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Greg is pretty much right on. Where I disagree, it 
doesn't worry me.
<[Gary] GARY-S> Folks - this is no protocol protocol - just jump in
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> One thing I DON"T like is the emphasis on hosted FORTH, 
possibly at expense of standalone
<[Gary] GARY-S> He sure didn't think much of hooking Cell like BASE
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Standalone is the MAINSTREAM of FORTH.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> What do you mean by theat, Jax?
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> That's that!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Well, they are all hot and bothered about host file 
access.
<[Gary] GARY-S> Jack- if there is no-host, what difference does it make ?
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> My view is "big deal"
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> repeat please, gary?
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> Why not support both?
<[Gary] GARY-S> If there is no host to access , then you run native anyway, 
right ?
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> I tend to agree because file access is more of...
<[Gary] GARY-S> so where is the problem
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> an after thought than a primary consideration in...
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> programming.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> .
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Right. Len, my point exactly. the emphasis ...
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Shows where the head is at.
<[Gary] GARY-S> The ball is in you corner Jax
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Good example is ZIMMER and my hero TING ...
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> Len, in image processing, file access _is_ the heart of good 
system.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Now, these are two of the best Forth programmers in the 
WORLD ...
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Yes, but standards cannot deal with image processing!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> And they spend there time perfecting 8088 Forths! Gag me 
with an 8259!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> .
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> The user has to build his program about his system.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> Jax is one of the few who know what C. H. stands for
<P.KOZIAR> is here.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> You just have to buy his books to know that!
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> me too.  Charles Heath of Amiga fame?
<[Gary] GARY-S> No doubt Rock will be behind your views 100% Jax
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> He means C.H. Ting.
<[Gary] GARY-S> Hey Pete
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> stand-alone=efficiency to match task at hand.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> It just got a little KOZIAR in here!
<P.KOZIAR> I'm a little new at RTCs, so be patient with me!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> ... :-)
<[Gary] GARY-S> Arrrrrrgh !!!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> rock ... forth shines standalone ... hosting is 
crippling.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> I hate puns, unless theyre mine.
<P.KOZIAR> Old pun to me.
<[Gary] GARY-S> You came to a bad place Pete - this is no protocol on Thursdays 
- just jump in
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> When you grow up with a funny name like mine, names are 
funny to you.
<[Gary] GARY-S> That's not punny
<P.KOZIAR> I'm trying -- don't know if I can jump that high this late @ night!
<[Gary] GARY-S> Thanks for the files
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> I dream of system on Amiga that supports Amigados...
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> and stand-alone.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> P.APPELMAN is working on it.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> The standalone part, anyway.
<P.KOZIAR> If that thank's was for me, you're welcome -- hope they were of use 
to some bodys.
<[Gary] GARY-S> Rock says he thinks Harris is looking for Forth support 
(interested Pete ?)
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> ...$$$$ ???
<P.KOZIAR> Well, what kind of support?  right now,
<D.RUFFER> is here.
<[Gary] GARY-S> Rock ?????
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> real, full-time work is the rumor
<P.KOZIAR> I am balancing a full-time job, a part time job, and lots of extra 
stuff.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Hey Dennis!
<[Gary] GARY-S> What do the rumors Mill ?
<D.RUFFER> Yo!
<[Gary] GARY-S> Hello stranger
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> what's the buzz
<[Gary] GARY-S> Saw someone using your name in e-mail :-)
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> The consensus is that Forth is favored.
<[Gary] GARY-S> Yo Rock - what is Harris looking for ?
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> [7m did this work? [m
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> Systems programmer with applications experience...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> not on this end jack
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> darn, guess GEnie strips it off.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> 
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> put FORCE to work in essentially OEM'd applications...
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> that works!
<[Gary] GARY-S> Don't do cntrl 'G's Jax - it hurts
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> this is just rumor-I haven't investigated personally.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> sounds good, rock!
<P.KOZIAR> Where is Harris located?
<[Gary] GARY-S> Call them up and post their response
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Sounds like fun! I am writing real-time apps on 8088 & 
Super8 ...
<[Gary] GARY-S> Tell them we are the job finder !!!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Novix is headache but might be fun!
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> hot&muggy Melbourne, FL
<[Gary] GARY-S> Melborne Fla
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> is that where Harris is?
<P.KOZIAR> I don't know -- both my jobs use FORTH, one the Novix and 8088,
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> World headquarters!
<P.KOZIAR> the other the 68020/6881.
<[Gary] GARY-S> My wife is from Hollywood, and central Arkansas is more muggy
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> It says so outside building, so it must be true.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> dropped an 8, right Pete?
<P.KOZIAR> Try Baltimore for muggy!!!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> I spent a week in Baltimore one day.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Omaha, we used to have 90-90 days,
<P.KOZIAR> Yup, that 8 is around here somewhere!
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> 90 temp & 90 humidity.
<[Gary] GARY-S> You got sea breezes anyway - we don't get a lot of bayou breezes
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> What part is Melbourne in.
<P.KOZIAR> Well, almost right -- it's been over 100 lately.
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> 20 miles south of Cape Canaveral
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> Hate to say it guys, 70 temp 50 humidity
<[Gary] GARY-S> Your disgusting
<P.KOZIAR> Enjoy it while you got it!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Well, it's ben 95 in Colo. but only 18% humdidity.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Feels like Sauna.
<P.KOZIAR> Nice to drop in, bbut I gotta go -- it's 10 PM here.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> It's about 60 temp & 80 humidity in California. Cool but 
foggy.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> So more about Harris Jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<[Gary] GARY-S> Sure is interesting, but it ain't Forth
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Harris jobs not Forth?
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> I don't know any more!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Tease!
<[Gary] GARY-S> Serious Rock, call and tell them to post it - send me the blurb 
I'll post it
<P.KOZIAR> has left.
<[Gary] GARY-S> Gary Smith, P O Drawer 7680, Little Rock 72217
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> ( also well!gars@lll-winken.arpa)
<[Gary] GARY-S> True
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> I will investigate.  I have assumed this is low-key search 
by Harris.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Well, we're all pretty low.
<[Gary] GARY-S> gars@well.UUCP works, too
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> what's the key?
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> ( from systems with good mailers, gary)
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> ...   .arpa addrs are usually faster.
<[Gary] GARY-S> we can't BITnet though can we ?
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> yes.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> also CSNET
<[Gary] GARY-S> REALLY
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> the WELL she be CONNECTED>
<[Gary] GARY-S> leave me e-mail how !!!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> mail out foo@bar.BITNET
<[Gary] GARY-S> both BIT and CS
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> si
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> email ?'s mail   fair@well  . He knows EVERYTHING>
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> .
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Something has come up. I have to leave.
<[Gary] GARY-S> Dennis - are you still a gypsy?
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> bye
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> bye
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> has left.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> not any more...
<[Gary] GARY-S> Did you ever talk to Larry ?
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> ( Forsley?)
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> WHERE IS MY JFAR???
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'm now renting a townhouse (for 11 mos) in Rochester
<[Gary] GARY-S> Ask him why they can't get my JFAR straight !!!!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> call Larry tonight folks
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> WHY DOESN"T FIG ANSWER EMAIL???
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> he said he is on but hasn't gotten to do it yet
<[Gary] GARY-S> I have been dunned and after I sent a photcopy of canceled 
check !
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> he even said he would try tonight
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> He is hiding from his wrathful subscribers!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but you all know Larry
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> we'll see him when we see him
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> actually, he told me...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> #2 is just about to go to the publishers
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and number 3 is not far behind
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> only 6 mos late!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> only 8 mos. late!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> obviously, they are both full of the conf stuff.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> also he mentioned the ASYST conf in October
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> well, it's a GREAT mag & worth the wait. ( But they 
better stop raising the price every year!)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> supposedly he has a bunch of papers already
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and he will either post the stuff, or send it to me
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> where is posting on ASYST conf?
<[Gary] GARY-S> yeah
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> not here yet!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> have no idea when the dates are!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'll post as soon as I find out
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> THat will be of interest to Mines ... they use ASYST 
there ( Colo School of Mines, Golden, CO)
<[Gary] GARY-S> and excellent AI BBS
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Post there, gars ...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> If they're a customer, they should already know about it
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> though not so excellent. Kinda sleepy, rather.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Probably you're right, DR.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> as far as FIG answering mail....
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> yes?????????
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I sent them all out a letter tonight.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> GOOD LUCK
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> I sent them seven.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> if you let me know when you sent yours...
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> I got an answer once...
<[Gary] GARY-S> Wonder if Marlin picked up my article ?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I will call them personally and find out what the holdup is
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> article was approved for publication...
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Well, only one lately. Sunday. It doesn't matter. My mag 
showed up, two weeks late, beat to pieces by USMAIL ( or FIG?) but it
would be nice just to know that they RECEIVE the email.
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> to best of my knowledge its never been published, though.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Jack, did you know that you can tag a letter to see if it's 
been received?
<[Gary] GARY-S> Dennis - ask if he got the new Best of and if there is anything 
in the archives that will dovetail with ANY of GEnie's new editorial s
chedules. -- OK ?
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> DOn't have to tag it. Just use command mode.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> It says.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> But why do people pick up email if they aren't going to 
answer it?
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> I guess part of the problem is GEnie.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Under UNIX, you reply to a letter immediately just by 
typing   r   .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> If they've received it, they should have read it!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> With GEnie, you have to do a song and dance to do email.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Standing on one foot.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> send me the EMAIL numbers if you have them Jack...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I will find out what's hapening
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> well, like I said, six letter a few months ago, no 
answer. ( Until that young lady checked into the RTC, then I got an
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> answer ..
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> ,,,)
<[Gary] GARY-S> Chris/Rock, anything else ?
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> and the one I sent Sunday ..
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> has been rendered moot by the US MAIL.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Whenever someone gets email ...
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> I can't think of anything, Gary.
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> Gary- no just sitting back here.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> they should at least drop a form note "I'm looking your 
letter over" or something.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Easy in UNIX ... not impossible on GEnie.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> that problem they are addressing...
<[Gary] GARY-S> Didn't want this business stuff to take away from your 
Conference needs
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> That is called "electronic courtesy.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I don't answer EVERY letter I get...
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> GARY how are you going to NET the WELL Forth conf.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and FIG is copied on them all as well as their own...
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> DR > if you have a unix mbox, you tend to, because it is 
easy to send Form Letters.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> that may be, but we don't
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'm sorry but that is just the breaks
<[Gary] GARY-S> I'm going to pull it in here and either split it to the right 
conferenategory Topics or start a new one...
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> One more rThe way to do it here ...
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> is to send XMODEM form letters!
<[Gary] GARY-S> and spin replies back to the Well so that comp.lang.forth can 
pick them up...
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> How are you going to link to -CFB, gary?
<[Gary] GARY-S> ECFB and NCFB will pull them off here
<[Gary] GARY-S> thats all folks
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> How have you arranged that?
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> g'nite, folks
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Jerry always picks up what we get
<[Gary] GARY-S> I will notify Don and Jerry after I get the first file(s)
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> bye Rock, thanks for the rumor.
<[Rock] R.FRANZEN> has left.
<DHWEINSTEIN> is here.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> Why not establish the topic here now, so maybe the GEnie 
gang wil get the traffic started first?
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> hey netnoise!
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> *bamph*
<[Gary] GARY-S> D3nnis doesn't even know what I'm up to yet
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Hey Jax
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> don't tell him shhhh it's a secret!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> huh?
<[Gary] GARY-S> WHOA Dave !!!! Mitch ???
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Saw your flame on comp.lang.forth
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> which?
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> of many.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> .
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Haven't herrd from him recently. (Haven't written). Will 
send follow up letter tonite.
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Question:
<[Gary] GARY-S> Please - Time is getting short ! What is his phone number ?
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Is >body an F83 standard word?
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> @+-Oiga O/stat
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> wmb@sun.com
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> I don't know. I use Internet.
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1>
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Oh that....yeah...Jax is right
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> F83 not 83 Std!
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> I will send him some follow up mail after I leace here
<[Gary] GARY-S> True ! Dennis
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Is it standard?
<[Gary] GARY-S> Thanks Dave - really
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> for F83 Yes!
<[Gary] GARY-S> NOT 83 Standard, though
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> what's up Chris?
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Good....I am trying to make that late binding package 
portable
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Picky picky picky
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> F83, 83 standard...SAME FREAKIN' THING
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> NO!
<[Gary] GARY-S> Go Chris:NOT TRUE !
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> F83 is implementation
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Why Not?
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> Jax- not much. got to run soon..
<[Gary] GARY-S> That is true
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> 83 Standard is document.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> ok, chris ...
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Nit pickers
<[Gary] GARY-S> adios, Chris:
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> It AIN'T the same ... LMI is 83 Standard, lots diff from 
F83, example.
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> That is actually what I meant. I am trying to make this as 
portable as possible.
<[Gary] GARY-S> Not really Dave - read the article (maybe 1 1/2 years ago) in 
FD 'Why F83 is not 83 Forth'
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> Thanks Gary for the info about LMI, is it much like F83?? I 
like F83 alot.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> use Martin's PRELUDEs
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Where am I going to get a 2 yr old FD?
<[Gary] GARY-S> Yes
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> From FIG, dummy!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> They SElL them, you know.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> they are right here in the library
<[Gary] GARY-S> You'll be right at home - only supported
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> <- never bought *anything* from FIG ('cept this RT)
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> SUBSCRIBE!!!!
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> When I have green stuff that crinkles. Not lettuce!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> THought you meant your hair :-)
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> See Ya all Later, Happy "Forthing"
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> So long, Chris.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> So long
<[Chris] C.KOVACS1> has left.
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> FD on line, Dennis?
<[Gary] GARY-S> BRB - keep going wihout the driver for a few
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> All I wanted to know was if 99% of the 83 standard Forths 
used >body...
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> yes.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Dave, Martin's prelude is PRELUDE.ARC
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> except the ones that use NAME>
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Ok. I am doing a late-binding package
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> You ever try unarcing with a Model 100?
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> oh!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> like JForth.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> what format do you need them in?
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> ...   >NAME , NAME> etc
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Text (7 bit)
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> And under 20 or 30k
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok, I'll put it on my list!
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> ( model 100? What was wrong with the Model 4?)
<[Gary] GARY-S> Sorry - but I'm going to have to mail this and split any last 
shots for the record ?
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Doesn't fit on my lap
<[Gary] GARY-S> G'nite all
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok gary, do we want to contiue guys?
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> gnite!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> good night gary
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Good nite Gar
<[Actually Jax] VESTA> sam spade has stopped recording
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