Sub: Minutes of your RT Conference.

>From Steno: Jennifer Marlowe

Date: 05/22/88   Time: 20:50EDT
Attendees:
[[Dennis] D.RUFFER]
[[Gary] GARY-S]
[[jax] VESTA]
[[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN]
[DRMIKE]
[ATFURMAN]

Minutes:
<GARY-S> is here.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hi gary
<GARY-S> H'LO
<[Gary] GARY-S> How's the road warrior ?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> took the day off
<[Gary] GARY-S> where's the family ?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> still back in kazoo, but I'll be...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> packing them up when I go home Thurs...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> we come back on June 13th.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> did you see my message to Tom Mack?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes I did...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you won't hear anything until tomorrow...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but they can usually find them...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I lost one myself once, and they were able to get it back
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> I hope so ...
<[Gary] GARY-S> I'm still not sure that's what happened but I sure...
<[Gary] GARY-S> am suspicios it is/ so I hope...
<[Gary] GARY-S> I didn't send a good conversation to never-never land
<[Gary] GARY-S> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you don't need to do a \mail at all...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I've made it through the shorter ones never doing it...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> when you leave, the mail is sent, but....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> the list of attendees shows just you.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> I can fix that if I just get the BAR
<[Gary] GARY-S> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> new subject - do I start pursuing..
<[Gary] GARY-S> Mahlon, Dumse, Forsley for conf ???
<[Gary] GARY-S> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hum
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> good question.
<[Gary] GARY-S> I've held off...
<[Gary] GARY-S> Mahlon probably wonders wha' hoppen ???
<[Gary] GARY-S> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Why don't you...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> at least finish that one up..
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'd only go after one at a time...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> that we we can just judge them as they come.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok - nother new subject...
<[Gary] GARY-S> have you been reading Leonard's and my comments...
<[Gary] GARY-S> regarding two-a-week FIGGY's
<[Gary] GARY-S> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but which one?
<[Gary] GARY-S> Leonard wants to go split meetings...
<[Gary] GARY-S> ie : 1/3 Sunday, 2/4 Wed...
<[Gary] GARY-S> or whatever....
<[Gary] GARY-S> I think that is a BAD mistake...
<[Gary] GARY-S> go for one or the other and kill the unused one...
<VESTA> is here.
<[Gary] GARY-S> I am now pulling down two (2) full time jobs...
<[Gary] GARY-S> one a start-up effort...
<[Gary] GARY-S> and can still get the one in the middle of the week...
<[Gary] GARY-S> usually, but Sunday's are tough for me..
<[Gary] GARY-S> that's when I try to put the pieces back together.
<[Gary] GARY-S> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well I'm glad Jack made it to discuss this with us...
<[jax] VESTA> ... doesn't sound too good ...
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> we've been feeling real stretched to cover both FIGGYs...
<[Gary] GARY-S> same ole s..tuff
<[jax] VESTA> maybe it weren't a great idea to open two.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> With me on the road, Gary pulling 2 jobs, and...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> everything else that takes up time in the summer...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'm moving my family to Rochester to be with me...
<[jax] VESTA> ... moving (?)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but that won't help the next 3 weeks, when I've got...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> to tie up all the loose ends in Kazoo.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yeh, I'm going to be out here to long...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> to be away from the family...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> so we're packing up and moveing to an apartment in 
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Rochester.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> summers are the pits anyway
<[Gary] GARY-S> .
<[jax] VESTA> especially in Rochester!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> :-)
<[jax] VESTA> ... :-)
<[jax] VESTA> Actually,,,,
<[Gary] GARY-S> :-)
<[jax] VESTA> late summer  is pretty nice in Rochester ...
<[jax] VESTA> january is a trial and a trib, tho.
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I hope I'm not here that long!
<[jax] VESTA> ( 90 mph winds, sub zero temps)
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I have to have my kids in school in LA by Sept 6th...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> so I hope I'm out of here by then.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> ice-fishing, polar bear huntin'
<[jax] VESTA> so are you going to present me paper>
<[jax] VESTA> ...
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> did you read my reply
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .?
<[jax] VESTA> yup ... if ya don't want to ( sniff!) ... it's ok ...
<[jax] VESTA> really ...
<[jax] VESTA> i don't know what they meant ...
<[jax] VESTA> i was so surprised when Brenda (?) called me at work ...
<[jax] VESTA> I 4got to ask if they meant platform or poster ...
<[jax] VESTA> the paper is just a summary of the properties of the chip.
<[jax] VESTA> 4 pages, typeset.... that's probably why they accepted it! 
<[jax] VESTA> Neatness counts!
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I have no objection to doing it...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but I'm just not very good at public speaking yet...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I've seen other papers given by friends of the authors...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but usually they knew what the paper was about...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and sometimes even helped write it...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I don't know how I'd answer any questions about it...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and if it is just a summary, it might be...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> pretty dry to just read it...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Maybe just submitting it to JFAR would be sufficient...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> unless you WANT it in the conference proceedings.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> Put up the airfare - I'll present it !
<[jax] VESTA> same here, more or less, but wifey is expecting.
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[jax] VESTA> well, i dunno ... what is best? Don't papers presented ...
<[jax] VESTA> end up in JFAR anyway?
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> some do, some don't...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it depends on how Larry does organizing the conf...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> some years he has conference proc.s with all the papers...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> other years, he put them all in JFAR...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> JFAR was new in the years he did that...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and I think he was hurting for papers...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> that may not be so anymore...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I would not assume that a paper for the conf...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> would automatically be in JFAR...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> if they have already accepted it for JFAR...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and you can't be at the conf....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> then I'd suggest to let JFAR have it...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> not to discourage you...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but I just am uncomfortable speaking ....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> especially when I'm not very well versed in...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> what I'm talking about.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[jax] VESTA>
<[Gary] GARY-S> Put up the airfare - I'll ... well you know
<[Gary] GARY-S> .
<[jax] VESTA> well, they accepted it for the conf ...
<[jax] VESTA> didn't say a word about JFAR ....
<[jax] VESTA> I'll check with Dan Miller, since he said he was going ...
<[jax] VESTA> and seems very outgoing type of character! :-)
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<DHWEINSTEIN> is here.
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> if you strike out there, let me know and I'll do it
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> Jax - Dan would be super..
<[Gary] GARY-S> as a radiologist he has probably...
<[jax] VESTA> Question for Dave.
<[Gary] GARY-S> presented a few papers..
<[Gary] GARY-S> besides he speaks at HAL real regular.
<[Gary] GARY-S> .
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN>
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga jax
<[jax] VESTA> Is Dave any relation to a mainframe programmer ...
<[jax] VESTA> named Dan Weinstein?
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga dave
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Not that I know of. I am a mainframe programmer...
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> But I am not sure if I am in any way related to
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> the person you are speaking of
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> ga
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga dave
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> I know sun has a PD Forth...doies anyone know
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> the Internet address for suns public lines (or do I have 
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> to get it on tape0.
<[jax] VESTA>
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> If sun does not have a public address...does anyone else 
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> have it on a UNIX machine?
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> ga
<[jax] VESTA>
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga jax
<[jax] VESTA> The WELL ( 415 332-6106) had a copy ....
<[jax] VESTA> accidentally, since they have a VAX ...
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Does it have an internet address?
<[jax] VESTA> you could email dhawk@well.UUCP
<[jax] VESTA> who is sysop and ask if he deleted it.
<[jax] VESTA> .
<DRMIKE> is here.
<[jax] VESTA> also well@lll-crg.arpa
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN>
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga dave
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Is that on the Internet (i.e. can I FTP over)?
<[jax] VESTA>
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga jack
<[jax] VESTA> Not sure ... the WELL is very interconnected ...
<[jax] VESTA> try email first, you must have ...
<[jax] VESTA> an address program on your system ... the WELL is pretty WELL 
<[jax] VESTA> known ...
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> Could you email me the address over GEnie?
<[jax] VESTA> this SUN Forth ...
<[jax] VESTA> is about 5 meg of source!
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[jax] VESTA> Will check on INTERNET addr.
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> No problem. I found a big whole in the quota system on the 
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> sun I plan on putting it on... :-)
<[Dave] DHWEINSTEIN> brb
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga jack?
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well we are getting a few people here...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> can I ask what you all think about something?...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> What ONE night would be best to have the FIGGY BAR?...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it is getting to much to do both...
<[jax] VESTA> need more sysops!
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and not enough people come to either...
<[jax] VESTA> yet.
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> to justify the time...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes, I think it might come back...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> maybe next fall, after summer is over....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but I'd really like a summer schedule...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> at least for the next few weeks or so...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> What do you all think?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> we do get different people now ( jax- you don't count )....
<[Gary] GARY-S> but not enough to justify the split
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> :-)
<[jax] VESTA> i'm pretty different, all right...
<[Gary] GARY-S> ,.
<[Gary] GARY-S> .
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well?
<[Gary] GARY-S> mid-week for me
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> jack....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you were the one who wanted Sunday....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> is there any "extrodanary" reason you can't...
<[jax] VESTA> Thought it would be nice for those who couldn't come Thurs ...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> come on Thursday, you usually do anyway?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[jax] VESTA> I can log in any evening, pretty much, except occasionally ...
<[jax] VESTA> don't matter much to me. DO a survey.
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[jax] VESTA> PS ...
<[jax] VESTA> I am programming in Fortran for fun now! ...
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[jax] VESTA> So ...
<[jax] VESTA> If we need anything patched around here ... :-)
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> :-)
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> DRMIKE - I see your address is also Ft. Valley...
<[Gary] GARY-S> do you , Dave, and Larry Daniel all work together ?
<[Gary] GARY-S> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> a silent observer?
<[Gary] GARY-S> no fingers
<[jax] VESTA> 300 baud, maybe.
<[jax] VESTA> dave?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Dave, what do you think?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[jax] VESTA> they're out getting a burger.
<[jax] VESTA> he said "brb"
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> Dave typed a brb and disappeared
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yep he did.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> maybe they're talking with each other :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> they are talking private right now!
<[jax] VESTA> nosy! :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> just checked the /sta, and their status is P...
<[jax] VESTA> tell us what they're saying ...
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> can't hear what their saying...
<[jax] VESTA> put your ear up to the modem.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> don't have that much power :-)
<DRMIKE> has left.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> :-)
<[Gary] GARY-S> put a glass to the wall in this virtual room
<[jax] VESTA>
<[jax] VESTA> Seriously, gang
<[jax] VESTA> did we get all our FIG RT software in the can from GEnie ...
<[jax] VESTA> or is any of it tweaked here?
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> They're both gone now!
<[Gary] GARY-S> canned
<[jax] VESTA> Foo! Other confs ...
<[jax] VESTA> roll their own, to some extent.
<[jax] VESTA> Can we?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I didn't see dave leave, but nolonger appears...
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes
<[jax] VESTA> Mainframe programmer!
<[jax] VESTA> Tricky!
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> jack, all we need to do is come up with the ideas...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> we have the ability to do custom things...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I haven't persued it because we need an...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> idea of what to do first...
<[jax] VESTA>
<[jax] VESTA>
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but the survival guide in the COMMODORE area...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> is custom, and I understand that all it takes is effort...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga jack
<[jax] VESTA> The thing is ...
<[jax] VESTA> do you customize by switches ...
<[jax] VESTA> or by programming?
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> the survival guide is just additional menus....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but take a look at some of the games...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> that they have online.  I imagine that whatever...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> they can do, I can find out if we can do...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> if you're interested, I'll start asking questions.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[jax] VESTA>
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga jack
<[jax] VESTA> Go ahead, because they won't talk to me anymore! ...
<[jax] VESTA> .. :-) I gave GEnie a hard time ...
<[jax] VESTA> but was talking to the CHESS page ...
<ATFURMAN> is here.
<[jax] VESTA> which stinks, by the way ,,, doesn't recognize mate ...
<[jax] VESTA> and the guy told me ...
<ATFURMAN> nam Alan F.
<[jax] VESTA> that GEnie has all sorts of non-disclosure ...
<[jax] VESTA> with its services ( like us).
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes they do
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but we are an OEM...
<[jax] VESTA> in other words ... it's hard to program this buggy.
<[jax] VESTA> ( old electric machine?)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and if we can find someone who has time to figure it out...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'd go to the trouble of getting you what you need.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[jax] VESTA> [Would be interesting to at least investigate ...
<[jax] VESTA> how much time it would take to do anything ...
<[jax] VESTA> If they have f77 on here ...
<[jax] VESTA> I have access to an efl preprocessor.
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> now we are getting into specific...
<[jax] VESTA> ( FORTH on GEnie?)
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I don't know yet, but I'd bet F77 or older :-)...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but first...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I would need to approach them with an idea...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> about what we would do, before they would give us much...
<[jax] VESTA> an on-line FORTH tutorial faked in Fortran.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> interesting idea!
<[Gary] GARY-S> f4 - I bet, most of their boxes are Honeywell at remotes aren't 
<[Gary] GARY-S> they ?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> first step is to prototype the screens...
<[jax] VESTA> VAXen  remote to Honey in Rockville.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes they are Honeywells...locally....
<[jax] VESTA> oh.
<[Gary] GARY-S> honey here in Little Rock
<[Gary] GARY-S> I know they had Fortran IV up on it a year ago
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> a help system would be "easy" to do...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and you should take the existing help systems...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> as a reference and see what can be done....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> if you want to do it jack....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> let me see the prototype....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and I'll make all the other arrangements.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[jax] VESTA>
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga jack
<[jax] VESTA> Well, interesting idea ...
<[jax] VESTA> How should we present the "prototype" ...
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> just wip together some screens...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it's not really neccessary to show the linking just yet...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but comeing up with the text is 90% of the job anyway.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[jax] VESTA> Right ... like ...
<[jax] VESTA> " For a tutorial on CREATE type 1) ... etc?
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> go check out the survival kit...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> in the commodore area...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I think that might be simular to what...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you have in mind.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[jax] VESTA> Had been thinking of something like the Unix program "learn"
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> don't know it.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[jax] VESTA> you type    learn vi ...
<[jax] VESTA> and it walks you thru a sample  vi   editing session , for 
<[jax] VESTA> instance.
<[jax] VESTA> you get to edit a file ...
<[jax] VESTA> which is thrown away afterwards ...
<[jax] VESTA> and the program tells you if you did it right ...
<[jax] VESTA> and forces you to try out certain commands, or you "flunk"...
<[jax] VESTA> it grades you and everything!
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'm not sure how much "power" we'd actually have...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> the lowest commen denominator is usually TTY...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> so you don't have much fancy user stuff...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but check out what they've done in the games...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and in the survival guide...
<[jax] VESTA> mac grafix ain't fancy?
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> the MacGEnie requires user software...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> we can't really rely on that...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> unless you want to do that one too? <hint>...
<[jax] VESTA> huh?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> If you're really serious about this...
<[jax] VESTA> about three hours a week serious about it.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I can arange to cover the cost...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> upload a file with an initial idea...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and I'll see what I can do.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> has left.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> bye alan :-)
<[jax] VESTA> ok, will check it out.
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well gary....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I can't make next thursday...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> why don't you ask the same question there...
<[Gary] GARY-S> well - I'm for leaving myself tonite and I'll make a real 
<[Gary] GARY-S> effort to..
<[Gary] GARY-S> get some answers Thursday..
<[Gary] GARY-S> last thur I got a resounding burst of silence.
<[Gary] GARY-S> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I don't think there is too much commitment for Sun....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but if Jack starts this up...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> we might get some more people...
<[jax] VESTA>
<[jax] VESTA> i'm pretty reliable for thursday.
<[jax] VESTA> besides ...
<[jax] VESTA> i'm aggravating enough ECFB people ...
<[Gary] GARY-S> see you then - and I'll help if I can Jax - but frotran ???
<[jax] VESTA> that they might want to get on to shout me down.
<[Gary] GARY-S> do loops is do loops
<[jax] VESTA> Well, the WELL has f77 and ...
<[jax] VESTA> it looked like fun in a bestial sort of way ...
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'll plan to be there Sunday...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> unless I hear otherwise...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> by the way Jack, I also know Fortran...
<[Gary] GARY-S> learn to think in terms of 80 column cards , jack
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it's been quite a while since I used it...
<[jax] VESTA> tell me about it, DR
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but it's one of the first languages I learnt...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> probably 15 years ago now...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I even did a contract with it...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> no need for 80 column cards anymore (I hope)...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but I'd certainly need to dig out the old manuals. :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[jax] VESTA> I wouldn't mess with it at all except that I can use EFL
<[jax] VESTA> on the WELL, anyway.
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Gary] GARY-S> I bet there's still lots and lots of do loops.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> what is EFL?
<[jax] VESTA> Extended Fortran Language ...
<[jax] VESTA> A preprocessor resembling C ...
<[jax] VESTA> that produces f77 as its output!
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> uck!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I might prefer to write REAL Fortran...
<[jax] VESTA> better than   .EQ.
<[jax] VESTA> ....!!?
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> instead of some takeoff from C :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[jax] VESTA> It really is easier than doing fortran, take my word ...
<[jax] VESTA> Check out a system V manual ... Languages. It's kinda neat.
<[jax] VESTA> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'll definitely crank up a letter...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> tonight if we don't go much longer...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and we'll see what we can do.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[jax] VESTA> I win!
<[jax] VESTA> has left.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'm not doing very good tonight :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> anything else gary?
<[Gary] GARY-S> nope
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> good night then!
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