Sub: Minutes of your RT Conference.

>From Steno: Dr. Watson

Date: 04/13/89   Time: 22:05EDT
Attendees:
[[Dennis] D.RUFFER]
[[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS]
[[Kevin] APPERT]
[[milt]M.FABERT]
[D.MARTINDAL1]
[C.TING]
[[len] NMORGENSTERN]

Minutes:
<FIGCHAPTERS> is here.
<D.RUFFER> hi jack!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> salutations.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> how's it hanging?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> pretty good. I want two things and SOON! ...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> only 2? :-)
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> 1) my SC32 proto board ...
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> 2) MY JFAR V.ii !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it's in the mail, or so larry said tonight
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> IBIWISI.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ????
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> I'll Believe It When I See It.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> oh, same here
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> did you capture last Sunday?
<APPERT> is here.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hi kevin
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> ys; hi kev.
<[Kevin] APPERT> Hi all
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> could you send it to me email jack?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> If you *want* it.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I do, I don't have any other notes to write up what 
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> happened
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> what happened?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .. :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I gave you a quick schetch, such as it was
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> did you get the FIG CC NL?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I just forgot to capture it or take notes :-(
<C.TING> is here.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Hi Dr. Ting
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> what's CC NL Jack?
<C.TING> Hi, Dennis.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Getting to be a Regular!
<[Kevin] APPERT> hi Ting
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> the email newsletter.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<C.TING> I guess it's habit forming.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> what newsletter??? am I missing something?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> don't you get FIGSYSOPS$ mail?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> sure do, did it just come out tonight?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> posted it tuesday night.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> or do you mean yours.  I got that!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> OF COURSE I MEAN MINE! :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> oh, sorry
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> No, I meant the Publisher's CLearing House Sweepstakes 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> ... :-)
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> just haven't had time to read it yet <ducking>
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Dr. Ting ...
<M.FABERT> is here.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> A couple of years ago ...
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> you said that in Taiwan they were using the SUper8 for 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> projects ...
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> have you been back lately ...
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> and what is the state of Forth there these days?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<C.TING> Jax, I have not gone back lately. ..
<C.TING> I am not quite sure about the state of Super8 there.
<C.TING> However, they are talking about a conference in October this year.
<C.TING> I will go if it is finialized.
<C.TING> .
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> good news about conference since there will NOT be one in 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Australia this year!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Did you all catch the RTC notice.  We will have Steve 
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Roberts and John Bumgarner here on Sunday
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<C.TING> Jax, congradualation on the fine article you did for FD.
<C.TING> .
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Thanx.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> was very weak first draft ...
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> you are too kind.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Do any of you know who they are?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<C.TING> We can use many more Forth optimists.
<C.TING> .
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> I'm making good money with Forth, can afford to be 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> optimistic! Know anyone looking for Forth work?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Steve write the series Computing Across America or CAA 
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> here in GEnie
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> the Forth Bicycle!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> John Bungarner works at Information Applicance with Jeff 
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Raskin
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> they made the Cannon Cat, and are about to introduce a 
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Laptop version
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it runs Forth on a 68K
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<C.TING> Jax. There are a few good Forth heads here looking for good jobs.
<C.TING> What do you want?
<C.TING> .
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> There are some "sweatshop" jobs open in the Denver area.
<[Kevin] APPERT> has cannon started admitting to manufacturing such a beast 
<[Kevin] APPERT> (negative markating?)
<NMORGENSTERN> is here.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Interested parties might want to drop me a note on the 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> RCFB (303) 278-0364 3/12/24 24 hrs.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Stop by Sunday and ask John yourself...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> last I heard it was still under wraps...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but Steve is using it as his Bicycle Control Processor
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Did Curley ever find a gig out this way? I have not heard 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> from him lately. He said he wanted Colorado.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<C.TING> Thanks, Jax.  I will pass the phone number.
<C.TING> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you looking for managers jack?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> VESTA might be looking for a hardware-oriented engineer 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> shortly, we'll know soon ...
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> the jobs I mentioned are not with us.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> do the jobs you mentioned require hardware exp?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> The ones I mentioned I believe are PC Software in Forth. 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Not precisely sure and the person to talk to will be 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> referred to inquirers.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and you don't want to give out the name publicly?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> No, I was asked not to.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Otherwise I would gladly rather than insert myself
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> between eager job seekers and some silly manager!
<[Kevin] APPERT>  syntax error
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> dropped a comma
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> gladly, rather
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Kevin] APPERT> is everybody ready for the 15'th, speaking of taxes?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> paid.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> haven't gotten mine back from accountants yet :-(
<[len] NMORGENSTERN> My accountant forgot to calculate my 89 Calif estimated!
<M.FABERT> you've got till the 17'th this year!
<[Kevin] APPERT> have it flogged
<C.TING> Still working on it.  Make the pain as short as possible.
<C.TING> .
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Milton, so what you think of cold fusion? Make a nice 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> mixed drink, huh?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> This is first year I've had to pay self emplyment, boy is 
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> that a shock!
<[Kevin] APPERT> is extra tax on being self-employed?
<[len] NMORGENSTERN> U of U always has has a very strong physics dept. When I
<[len] NMORGENSTERN> was there
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> SS is a lot higher
<C.TING> It is called "Fusion Confusion" here.
<[len] NMORGENSTERN> the dean was Henry Eyring
<C.TING> .
<M.FABERT> Yeah, jax.  And a lot of funny sounding scientists (all that He)
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> just read a long posting on chariot (719) 632-4111 about 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> it.
<[Kevin] APPERT> beware of scientists who hold press conferances!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> regarded as very seemingly confirmed.
<[len] NMORGENSTERN> True, Kevin
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Sounds easy to prove.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Either a charged Palladium grid captures deuterons and 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> fuses them or it don't.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<C.TING> Dinner is ready.  My wife's second call. Have to go.  Regards.
<C.TING> has left.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Hasn't anyone reporoduced the fusion experiment yet?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Scientists saying ... ( yes, they did at A&M) ...
<[Kevin] APPERT> Jax, what FD article was Ting talking about?  I did not see 
<[Kevin] APPERT> you published in apr/mar 1989.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> that this could make a hydrogen bomb ...
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> a home science experiment.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Kevin] APPERT> is this another aggie joke?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> wish it was.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> "Crazed Crack Head Blows Up Grade School With HBomb, Made 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> In Own Kitchen"
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> or our own portable nuclear reactors
<M.FABERT> The A&M crowd did'nt clain the same power output as U of U, thoug
<[Kevin] APPERT> what FD article, Jax?
<[len] NMORGENSTERN> It doesn't take a crazed crack head. A sane but
<[len] NMORGENSTERN> undisciplined high school student burned about 50 acres
<[len] NMORGENSTERN> and destroyed several homes locally here with
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> maybe jan/feb 89, kev.
<[len] NMORGENSTERN> a chemistry experiment.
<[len] NMORGENSTERN> .
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Right. I think I could reproduce this experiment from the 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> descriptions already.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it was jan feb kevin
<[Kevin] APPERT> topic?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> They just electrolyze heavy water with palladium
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> contacts.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> it spends about three months sucking deuterons ...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> The Value of FIG Chapters
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> then melts down!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[len] NMORGENSTERN> Have to go. My granddaughter wants me to read
<[len] NMORGENSTERN> Tiny Mouse.
<[len] NMORGENSTERN> has left.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> "Tiny Mouse came home after a long day at the Fusion 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Plant ... " :-)
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<M.FABERT> Look, see TM glow!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Neut's to you, Milt! :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and gave birth to great big tiny mouses
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Makes me want to rush out and buy palladium shares.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<M.FABERT> Might not be a bad idea.  Wonder if you can get a lock on
<M.FABERT> seawater.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> "Forth Programmer Corners Palladium Market ... Fusion 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Experts Switch To Platinum" ... sigh!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> next we are going to need disposal stations on every 
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> corner
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> no disposal problem!
<M.FABERT> I could use a miniture fusion plant on my sailboat.  Just think
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Local hi-energy radiation.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> No particulate radioactive waste.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<M.FABERT> unlimited de-salinization and power for my forth based nav system
<M.FABERT> <grin>
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> right ...
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> "Oceans Dry Up"
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> " Used By Power Plants" ...
<M.FABERT> Plenty of "light" water will be left.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> The most intriguing thing, jaxthinx, is that ...
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> they speculate that volcanic activity may be spurred by 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> spontaneous fusion in earth's crust!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<M.FABERT> who they?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> "THEY"
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Conference in Italy.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> CERN
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<M.FABERT> start digging.
<[Kevin] APPERT> are they the same they who were going to get a huge tax 
<[Kevin] APPERT> break...
<[Kevin] APPERT> for a proposition using geothermal power...
<[Kevin] APPERT> by means of a large heard of 100 ft. tall bobbing birds all 
<[Kevin] APPERT> hooked to a large flywheel?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> I like them!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<M.FABERT> Well I hope cold fusion works.  We could call off screwing up ..
<M.FABERT> the rest of Alaska and dumping co2 in the atmosphere.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Don't worry ...
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> they'll find some NEW way to f*** things up.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> if is not already too late to stop the greenhouse affect
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<M.FABERT> The earth will reach a new state of equilibrium, whether ...
<M.FABERT> its comfortable for us is another matter!
<M.FABERT> Any forth topics on the table today?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> SC32!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well, I've convince the FIG Directors to get on line
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> if that has anything to do with Forth <grin>
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[Kevin] APPERT> The ACM published this month self assessment procedure 
<[Kevin] APPERT> XIX...
<[Kevin] APPERT> which deals with copyright law...
<[Kevin] APPERT> which is now taught next to pascal  ...
<M.FABERT> Yes, Dennis.  JAX, you referring to silicon Composer 32 bit chip?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> You betcha.
<[Kevin] APPERT> and a requirement for a computer science undergrad degree 
<[Kevin] APPERT> (just kidding on the last part)
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Now available.
<M.FABERT> You got one?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> But $$$$.$$!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> No.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> $395 in hundreds, they say ...
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> but they only have one hundred!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> so they'll sell singles for $395.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> sigh.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<M.FABERT> gotta check on crying child ...
<[Kevin] APPERT> go ahead , they'll make more
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> crying children???
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> them too.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Which 32 bitter is SC using Jack?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> JHL/JPL remember marty?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ah yes
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> nice system
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Interesting.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Also interesting is promised 32-banger from Harris.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> even more interesting, WISC based
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> some things never change!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> What would you all like to see in an online database?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Salmon find him sexy.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> anything, dennis, anything at all!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> what topics, Forth of course, but what about Forth?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Index of publications.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Index of Forth shops.
<[milt] M.FABERT> What sort of software support is available for SC32, JAX?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ala bibliography?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> SCForth!
<[Kevin] APPERT> I think they might have a Forth for it (grin)
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> WHat more do you need for this Forth engine?
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Directory of Forth employment agencies.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Diretory of big Forth users.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> there is ONLY 1 jack, Dash Find
<[Kevin] APPERT> George probably has C for it too
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Not true.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Read FD.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> The ads can be informative!
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> There is an agency in Denver making a minor specialty of 
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Forth recruiting.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> .
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hanen't seen anything of them yet
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> Read (Nov-Dec?) FD.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ah, CIBER
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> got it
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> .
<[Kevin] APPERT> I wonder if...
<[Kevin] APPERT> anybody is keeping up the paper...
<[Kevin] APPERT> "bibliography of Forth References".
<[Kevin] APPERT> .
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> gotta go. gnite all.
<[JAX] FIGCHAPTERS> has left.
<[Kevin] APPERT> 'night Jax
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> not since Thea left
<[Kevin] APPERT> too slow
<D.MARTINDAL1> is here.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Larry doesn't have much time to keep it up
<[milt] M.FABERT> has left.
<D.MARTINDAL1> What's happening?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> no much tonight
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> what you've been up to?
<[Kevin] APPERT> on that note...
<[Kevin] APPERT> fare you all well and goodnight.
<D.MARTINDAL1> Anyone downloaded F-PC? I have a problem on unarcing it.
<[Kevin] APPERT> has left.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> nite kevin
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you do?  what files?
<D.MARTINDAL1> The five main ones, plus the lessons.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I checked them personally, what's the problem?
<D.MARTINDAL1> Several times I got a message saying there was an obsolete 
<D.MARTINDAL1> entry. What does that mean?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ??? Don't know.   What unarcer are you using?
<D.MARTINDAL1> arc601 from the IBM RT
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> got that one too, but it's been updated to 6.02 I think
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> there were a few problems, but I think they got fixed...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> haven't heard of the problem you are suggesting...
<D.MARTINDAL1> What unarcer did you use?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> never even heard of the error...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> do the files look ok afterwards?
<D.MARTINDAL1> Haven't had time to check yet. I'm wondering if I've missed a 
<D.MARTINDAL1> few though, because of it.
<D.MARTINDAL1> After it gives the message, it says I might want to "convert 
<D.MARTINDAL1> this archive"
<D.MARTINDAL1> What does that mean?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> do you have an older arc program?  They should work down 
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> to 5.2
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok I understand now
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> what that means is that I used 5.2
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> 6.01 has a new method
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and they are just telling you that it could be compressed 
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> further
<D.MARTINDAL1> So I haven't lost anything?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you souldn't, it is just a warning
<D.MARTINDAL1> Thanks! I would have hated to download files for hours for a 
<D.MARTINDAL1> system that;s only "mostly there!"
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> agreed, I just try to stick to 5.2 to be consistent
<D.MARTINDAL1> where can I find 5.2?  is it arc520 in IBM RT?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> don't think you can anymmore
<D.MARTINDAL1> Oh well.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but maybe it's still in the IBM RT
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> they've been asking us to clean up the obsolete files
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and the IBM RT has the biggest library of them all
<D.MARTINDAL1> I can believe that.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you've now got the whole F-PC thingy?
<D.MARTINDAL1> The five FPC225 files, FPCA, B, and H, and the lessons.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> good luck reading it all
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> all lot of good stuff is in there
<D.MARTINDAL1> Just downloaded & unarchived it all last night, haven't even 
<D.MARTINDAL1> looked at it yet.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> sure takes a big hard disk doesn't it
<D.MARTINDAL1> Fortunately, I've got 80mg
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and it's not full yet? <grin>
<D.MARTINDAL1> They laughed at me at work for getting 80 whole meg for home. 
<D.MARTINDAL1> I've had it a week and it's already 30% full!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> let's see that means you got 2 more weeks huh?
<D.MARTINDAL1> If I start digesting the FPC files, I think I'll slow down a 
<D.MARTINDAL1> bit on that.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes, it will take a little studying
<D.MARTINDAL1> Speaking of which, I think I'll go do that now. Can't wait to 
<D.MARTINDAL1> get started.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> have fun diggin in
<D.MARTINDAL1> Thanks again! See ya.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> bye
<D.MARTINDAL1> \quit
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> type /exit
<D.MARTINDAL1> okay, kinda new at this
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> no problem
<D.MARTINDAL1> has left.
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