Sub: Minutes of your RT Conference.

>From Steno: Jennifer Marlowe

Date: 03/21/91   Time: 21:43EST
Attendees:
[[Len] NMORGENSTERN]
[[Dennis] D.RUFFER]
[[Wil] W.BADEN1]
[D.GARRETT]
[GILES]
[[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ]

Minutes:
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hiya Wil
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Hi Dennis, see u in th nex room.... has left.
<NMORGENSTERN> is here.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> welcome back len :)
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Wil is also in room 2
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> is here.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> he'll come over...see :)
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> When I came in, there was nobody anywhere!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'm leader tonight, so we are using room 1
<D.GARRETT> is here.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I was here, but busy doing the door :)...
                    hiya doug
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Hi Doug
<D.GARRETT> Hello Len, Wil, Dennis, and ms Jennifer
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Hi Doug.
<D.GARRETT> What did I interrupt?
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Nothing
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Howdies.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well, hope you all didn't show up expecting
                    to hear Glen and Roy... cause they ain't
                    gonna be here tonight :(
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> No, we got the message
<D.GARRETT> I did, but I won't cry
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> As a matter of fact....
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> "The massage is the Message"... (signed)
                    Flo, Hippy, and Rosie
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Next week is Maundy Thursday, I don't whether I
                    can make it.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well, Glen at at least has agreed to do it
                    Sunday night...
<GILES> is here.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Sunday seems ok.
<GILES> Hiya, Gents!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes, I think I will be cancelling next
                    Thursday...
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Hi Giles.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> unless you want to take it Len?... hiya Giles
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> No I can't. Family is visiting (I will if
                    you are desperate)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> No, I think Easter is a good enough reason to
                    take a week off...... thus both Thursday and
                    Sunday RTCs will not happen next week... i.e.
                    March 28 and 31 are both cancelled due to the
                    holidays <grin>
<D.GARRETT> I didn't look closely at the ok
<GILES> <-- (Will prolly b here ANYway)
<D.GARRETT> oops   I'll show up, Giles.... I gotta work Thursday
                    nites, christmas, newyear, no matter what.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> I'll try.
<GILES> Oh...got th system u sent, Doug...THX! (grin)
<D.GARRETT> Had a chance to fiddle with it, Giles?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well, I deffinitely can't make Thursday night
<GILES> Nope...My laptop only has a 3.5 drive...... so my friend
                    w/ a desktop...
<D.GARRETT> shux.   Well, I was talking to Bob Illyes just
                    yesterday morning.  He gave me a couple tips
                    ...
<GILES> will pick it up this wkend...& xfer it to my over th ph.
                    (grin)
<D.GARRETT> Anyway, it's a super-stripped system.  9k
<GILES> I think pF is smaller. (grin)
<D.GARRETT> But I've been working with it diligently the past 4
                    days (took time off from wiring and other
                    boring things)
<GILES> Yah??
<D.GARRETT> And it's growing on me very fast.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> naw giles...our pF nucleus is about 12K right
                    now
<GILES> Hehehehe
<I.MONTANEZ> is here.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Hi Irv
<GILES> Ok...Say...do u think th Rather article got out?...&...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> mostly because we have 3 display drivers
                    built in to the nucleus
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> HI
<GILES> Hiya, Irv! (grin)
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Irving, it's been a long time.
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> HI
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I've been buggin Randy daily, but no, I don't
                    think he got yours sent yet :(... hiya irving
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> HELLO DENNIS
<D.GARRETT> I got mine, Dennis.
<GILES> Is th offer of a pF manual really available?... Oh..ok.
                    Thx. (smile)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes, yours went out as sooon as I found it
                    doug...giles is waiting for Randy to call
                    giles personally... that is what he is
                    calling you about giles
<GILES> Dija READ it yet, Doug?
<D.GARRETT> skimmed thru once.  Impressive.
<GILES> Rite, Dennis...I din KNO th article was waitin on that
                    too. (grin)... How long is it?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it shouldn't have been, but then I don't run
                    marketing <grin>
<GILES> Hehehe > Dennis
<D.GARRETT> 73-47 pages, giles... or should i say    73 47 - .
                    ?
<GILES> Ahhh...sounds like enuff to get into just a bit of
                    detail.... Hehehe
<D.GARRETT> I have it here in front of me.  Yes, a bit of detail.
                    Enuff to make you wannta sign up (grin)
<GILES> We newbies haven't seen u b4, Irv...what do U do?...
                    Hehehe > Doug
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> Ellectronic engineering
<GILES> Great!  Any interesting projects?
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> I help run a large particle accelerator.
<GILES> Ahha!  Bit of a physicist too! (grin)
<D.GARRETT> All right!  Where?
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Irv is President of ACM SigForth
<GILES> <-- (Is a lil QUARKY)
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> At Brookhaven natiional Laboratory in Long
                    Island, New York.... Not quite yet Presiden
                    of Sigforth, unless you guys vote for me.
<D.GARRETT> Ever cross paths with a gent named Gary Rondeau at
                    Cornell ?
<GILES> (Raisin hand) (grin)
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> I miss ssome of you at the Sigforth
                    conference in Texas.  I did get to meet
                    Leonard M..... We had a good time and the
                    weather was perfect.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> sorry, haven't been doing conf's lately :(
<GILES> <-- (Hopes th NX one is n Ft. Lauderdale) (grin)
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Unopposed nominee, I should have said.
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> I hope most of you will be at the Rochester
                    Conference in June.
<GILES> Hehehe > Len
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> gonna try to be irving
<D.GARRETT> I have a question  about FIG.  I called them
                    Wednesday last week...
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> (Accurraccy is my watchword)
<GILES> Awww...a lil far...til I get security up.
<D.GARRETT> said sign me up and send me some stuff, VISA number
                    for payment...... and it's been over a week
                    with no reply.  Computer age problems?
<GILES> (Chuckle) > Len... I don think they'd hold ur AGE against
                    u, Doug.... Hehehehe
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hum should be taking that long doug.  You
                    want me to check on it?
<D.GARRETT> I'm looking forward to receiving my secrfet decoder
                    ring
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> er shouldn't that is :)
<GILES> Hahaha!
<D.GARRETT> Well, if I don't see anything in the mail by next
                    Monday, I'll call them myself.  Just
                    wondering if you had...... any anecdotes
                    about how the subscriber list in dBase blew
                    up (Forth would never blow up and lose a
                    mailing list!)
<GILES> Rite!!... (wink)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well...as a matter of fact...they do use
                    dbase for the member lists ;)
<GILES> Well...at least not if written by a "real 4ther".
                    (chuckle)
<D.GARRETT> The  MUMPS User's Group only relatively recently
                    computerized there offices! (grin)... oh my
                    oh my !!!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> dbase II no less <grin>
<GILES> <-- (Thinks they should b ASHAMED!) Hehehe
<D.GARRETT> I love it!      When I computerized by job bidding,
                    time to get a proposal out to a potential
                    customer more than tripled!  But it looks
                    prettier than hand-written.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> remember, FIG offices are "paid" to do it
                    (i.e. NOT programmers)
<GILES> (But not volunteering 2nite, grin)
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> Giles, you seem to have this electronic
                    communication down to a science.  You should
                    submit an article to Sigforth with a
                    dictionary of the words to use able use to
                    describe your emotions.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> State of the art becomes obsolete very
                    quickly!... There is no point in changing to
                    the new if you... are getting the results you
                    need. I am now writing... something on my PC
                    using Word Perfect 4.2
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I LIKE 4.2 len <smile>
<D.GARRETT> I still use VEDIT copyright 1984
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Me too.
<D.GARRETT> Old CP/M habits die hard.
<GILES> Ahh ...like CB or CHATLINES acronym & dictionary, huh?
                    (grin)
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> right
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> BTW I got several ads for ACTOR at $100...
                    Would it be worth buying?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> got one too len...couldn't talk Elizabeth
                    into springing for it though :(
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Have you used it, Dennis?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> If Windows is what ya wanna do, it is worth
                    it
<GILES> Maybe I cn put some material together from PARTI etc.
                    (grin) Thx 4 th suggestion, Irv.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Ah
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I've seen demos and used earlier
                    versions...haven't seen their latest though
<GILES> <-- (If I ever find TIME, grin)
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> I think it would certainly help novices
                    like myself in these talks
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> How Forth-like is it?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> not very much Forth left, I'm afraid to say
                    :(
<GILES> Include th source, Len?  & for compat?
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Not at all, it's Pascal.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> I'll think about it, then. Thanx for the
                    info.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> did they do it in Pascal wil?  I wasn't sure
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> In Obj. Ori. Prog. for Mac, Neon is cited as the
                    Fastest implementation of SmallTalk.
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> Giles , I am serious.  Send an artilce to
                    Paul Frenger. <soon>
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> I had understood that it has features of
                    Forth!
<GILES> I'll try to sched it, Irv.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> No, Actor is to Pascal as Neon to Forth.  And
                    possibly Objective C to C.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Thanks, Wil
<GILES> Say Wil...I saw Neon files...but EVERYthing is
                    "stuffed"...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it has the features that Duff liked in Forth
<GILES> is there gonna b at least th dox in compat readable
                    format?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I saw a review just recently, just a sec and
                    I'll lokk
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> I can arrange it, but is it goin to be of
                    interest to non-Mac types?
<D.GARRETT> Don't buy it Giles.  They won't give you the source,
                    so you won't have total-control!
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Yerk does have evrything.
<GILES> <-- (Won't buy much w/o source)
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> It could become the dominant Mac implementation.
<D.GARRETT> <-- (has been converted to Giles ways.  He won't buy
                    it without source)
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> (of Forth)
<GILES> It would b of interest to me...& besides...... Mac isn't
                    th only 68K machine either.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Yes, but it deals heavily wih Mac toolbox.
<GILES> Not practical as a stand-alone?... Or is there a better
                    "general purpose" OOF?
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Mine, of course
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> The most important thing about OOP is having
                    objects to orient to.
<GILES> I'd xpect to "create my own" in 4th. Hehehe
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Len, which mainstream OOPL do you know,
                    SmallTalk, Objective C, C++, Object
                    Pascal?... Ada?
<GILES> (chuckle)
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> My familiarity is slight, Wil... I did mine
                    for simplicity, and found it amazingly
                    useful!
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Oberon?... What are the emphases of your Forml
                    paper vs sigForth?
<D.GARRETT> Have I seen Mr Pountain's name associated with OOF
                    somewhere here on Genie ?
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> The new thing is that method names are... no
                    longer tied to a class, but can be reused...
                    with other classes
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Yes, in a book by that name.... That's multiple
                    inheritance.
<D.GARRETT> ah    and is there not some downloadable files here
                    on the subject, also?
<GILES> Sounds like something I should read.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> (My system does not have true inheritance)
<GILES> U mean th offspring is sorta "illigitimate"? (grin)
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> There ARE no offspring!... That is, you can'
                    define a class, and then have
<GILES> "SOB4th". Hehehe
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> a new class automatically "inherit" all the
                    methods of the original
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes doug, there are some files on oof, search
                    the library using that keyword
<GILES> Oh...ok.  So is it still true OOF?
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> I don't know. I am not sure I care.... I
                    just wanted something simple and useful, and
                    I have it.
<D.GARRETT> have you read/used them?  I kinda recall seeing them
                    listed, but didn't download any without
                    recommendations from FIG types.
<GILES> Rite!  Jus so it's more useful than anything else w/ th
                    same availability! (grin)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> recommendations????  try them?????  you
                    mean...actually use them????
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> My system has only 3 words that the user has
                    to know.
<D.GARRETT> gawd forbig!
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> CLASS METHOD METHODS
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> I shoul announce that Len gave a excellent
                    talk on oops at the Sigforth 91 conference
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Thanks, Irv
<D.GARRETT> sometimes I wonder if bbs systems are for posting
                    things, ONLY.  So much stuff laying around,
                    who has time to read them ?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> there is one that implements Mr. Pountain's
                    words doug that I did try..forget the name
                    right now though
<GILES> What's name of th file on it, Len?
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> I haven't uploaded it yet. Will soon.
<D.GARRETT> are you an OOFer, Dennis ?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> not really, I just implement new forths
                    <grin>
<GILES> Sort've like a "write only" memory, eh, Dennis? (grin)
<D.GARRETT> Write-Many  Read-Never
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes, there is more stuff in the library than
                    any one person could ever use <grin>
<GILES> Thx, Len.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Who's the Mumps resource here?
<D.GARRETT> I assume the question is aimed and me... and I don't
                    understand it.  ga
<GILES> <-- (Tryin to figure how to pronounce WMRN!)
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Yes.  I thowt it was u but wanted
                    confirmation.... Is Mumps OO?
<D.GARRETT> No, MUMPS is not.  You can get away with as much
                    murder as you can in BASIC...
<GILES> GOT it!  "Womern"! (grin)
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> How does Mumps handle super-big numbers (2400
                    decimal digits)?
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> << always thought that BASIC was more like
                    suicide than murder
<D.GARRETT> But MUMPS is kinda extensible (in Forth slang)  so I
                    use it in a very structured manner...
<GILES> Hahaha > Len
<D.GARRETT> as to numbers.... Well, in mumps there is only ONE
                    kind of data type: THE STRING    so you can
                    have as many numbers in a string as you want.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Can you multipy such big numbers?
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Great. I have a benchmark I have done in ABC, C,
                    and Forth.
<GILES> How bout numerical operators then...no length limits?
<D.GARRETT> As for crunching strings with numbers in them....
                    Well, ANSI standard...
<GILES> "ABC"?
<D.GARRETT> probably isn't very stringent on the topic.  If you
                    wanta crunch numbers, do it in Fortran   is
                    the MUMPS programmers reply.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> (Part 1 of 2) How long did it take you to write
                    a BIGNUM factorial? (Part 2 of 2) How long
                    did it take to compute 1000 factorial?
<GILES> Ouch!
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> My results on 68000.  1/2 minute, 1/2 hour, 1/2
                    day.... to program.... (design and program.)
<GILES> It took 1/2 day in 4th?
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> work-day, 4 hours.
<GILES> & WHAT is "ABC"??
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> A public domain language for Unix, Amiga (or
                    Atari -- I can't these straight), PC
                    machines, and Mac
<GILES> Kin to APL maybe?
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Not really.
<GILES> Do u kno where I could get ruff info on it?
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Alfred Tang has a big number arithmetic
                    package... that will do arithmetic, factor
                    numbers, and also determine if a... number if
                    prime
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Did "PC machines" come across? it's garbled on
                    my end.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> yes, Wil
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> Do any of you use an Amiga aand Multi-Forth
                    or Jforth?
<GILES> Yup, Wil.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> The complete C source is in unix roundtable here
                    on Genie.
<D.GARRETT> No amigas in this shop, Irv.
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> Too bad!
<GILES> Thx, Wil.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> nope irving, that is jack woehr's favorite
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Jack Woehr (JAX) has had experience with
                    these... He is often on these conferences.
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> Great I will have to have an Amiga chat
                    with Jack.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Writing a bignum package can be done in Forth,
                    C, Pascal, Fortran; but in using it you are
                    no longer writing Forth, C, Pascal or
                    Fortran.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Why not Forth. I thought the beauty of Forth
                    is that... it allows you to create a language
                    that is suited to your... application.
<GILES> Yah...should b pretty seamless.... Or no?
<D.GARRETT> Well Wil, if you're working in MUMPS, it isn't
                    because you're paid to grind numbers.  We
                    grind lotsa admin-data type stuff.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> None of Forth, C, Pascal, or Fortran is well-
                    suited for Bignum's.
<D.GARRETT> MUMPS was originally developed to handle hospital
                    data.  Lots of it, from lots of terminals.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> (nor Mumps)
<GILES> Hehehe... But I think u should still b able to use......
                    both bignum & other 4th routines
                    together...... in a properly written pkg.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> but you can use any of them to solve bignum
                    problems.
<D.GARRETT> The COBOL prgogrammers rebelled, said "Give me MUMPS
                    or give me death!"... they were fired that
                    day!
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> And they got MUMPS and  they got testicular
                    atrophy from it
<D.GARRETT> that's right, Len.  You can spot them a mile away.
<GILES> Hehehe
<D.GARRETT> One thing we have (besides atrophy)...  is sparse
                    arrays.... any other language support such
                    array?
<GILES> U mean by that FEW arrays?  Or memory efficient arrays?
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> SmallTalk ... and ABC.
<D.GARRETT> ah
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> A sparse array is one, almost all of whose
                    elements are 0 or null
<GILES> Ahso...thx, Len
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Sparse arrays are a natural for OOP; in
                    programming you don't hav to know how the
                    array is implemented.
<D.GARRETT> well, in MUMPS we mean  that you can define X(1) and
                    X(999) and those two data nodes exist,
                    without declaring the rest of the array.
                    Memory efficient may be the correct term,
                    Giles.
<GILES> Ok...thx, Doug.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Many versions of BASIC do the same.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Awk also.
<GILES> I don think so, Len...Not if...
<D.GARRETT> ah.... I thought I was all alone (with MUMPS) in that
                    respect.  Good.
<GILES> Doug means that th nodes BETWEEN (1) & (999) do NOT
                    exist.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> I think that the original Microsoft BASIC
                    did
<D.GARRETT> right, giles.  If you try to address them...CRASH
                    ERROR
<GILES> Ok...but not any BASIC I'm familiar w/.... Including I
                    believe DARTMOUTH>
<D.GARRETT> I have often wondered  what kinda mind does it take
                    to write a MUMPS interpretter.  Saw some
                    fuzzy heads at the MUG convention in 1984.
                    (grin)
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Altho Forth is not designed for Bignums, it has
                    one standard word that it made to order for
                    Bignum factorial and other bignum problems.
<GILES> Hehehe
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> */MOD
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> Now I remember. It's arrays of strings that
                    are represented that... way. Arrays of
                    numbers are fully allocated.
<D.GARRETT> curious, len.... well, like i said, we only have
                    strings in MUMPS.  maybe they stole the code
                    from your Basic.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> In fact, (my implementation of) Factorial is
                    just an extended example of the use of */MOD.
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> No, it's a very efficient way. If you assign
                    something to an... element of a string array
                    it is represented. If you try to access...
                    one that has not been assigned, you get a
                    null string.
<D.GARRETT> I don't like the getting a null string when you ask
                    for an undeclared variable.
<GILES> <-- (Has never seen string arrays allocated that way n
                    BASIC either)
<D.GARRETT> we use null strings A LOT in coding... an example of
                    an index array would be......
                    SET ^MAILLIST("Len Morgenstern",1,"phonenum")=""
                    ... that means
                    we don't have your phone number and we want
                    to know about it.... quite ofthen, the actual
                    data is in the SUBSCRIPT, not the node....
                    (that took me about 6 months to get used to,
                    way back)
<GILES> Oh!  I think I kno what u mean now, Len...
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> That is an inverse kind of array, called an
                    "associative"... I believe. Wil, correct me
                    if I am wrong on that.... (searching by
                    contents, not index)
<GILES> the DESCRIPTOR for each element of array exists...just...
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> You'v got it.
<GILES> no actual string SPACE! (grin)
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> has to leave. Have a good holiday, all
<D.GARRETT> gnite, Len
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> good night len
<[Len] NMORGENSTERN> has left.
<GILES> U too, Len! C ya...(grin)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well we have been at it for 1 1/2 hours
<GILES> (Snappin fingers) Darned! (grin)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I need to do some work yet tonight also
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> I have to leave also.  It was nice meeting
                    with you guys tonight.  Hope to meet you in
                    person soon.
<D.GARRETT> I have 6 hours of clinic fire-fighting yet ahead..
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yous all are welcome to stay
<GILES> Nice meetin u, Irv! (smile)
<D.GARRETT> Giles, wanna close the bar?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but say good night to Jennifer <grin>
<[IRVING] I.MONTANEZ> goodnight Wil, Doug, Giles Len... has left.
<[Wil] W.BADEN1> Gud nyt, all.
<D.GARRETT> gnite, Irving.  Nice to meet
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> thanks for stopping by irving..hope to see ya
                    at Rochester
<GILES> Hehehe...do I hafta turn my glass over?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> oops too late too :)
<GILES> C ya, Irv!
<D.GARRETT> Nope, fill em, bartender!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> welp, good night Jen!
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