Sub: Minutes of your RT Conference.

>From Steno: Jennifer Marlowe

Date: 02/18/88   Time: 21:52EST
Attendees:
[[Dennis] D.RUFFER]
[[Gary] GARY-S]
[[Peter] P.APPELMAN]
[[bill] WC.COLEMAN]
[]John] JDHALL]
[[Jack] JAX]

Minutes:
<GARY-S> is here.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hello gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> Hi - wanna talk BBS business a second
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> shure
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok - get this...
<[Gary] GARY-S> The guys (gals) who just do NOT want...
<[Gary] GARY-S> to use a credit card and just don't want...
<[Gary] GARY-S> auto withdrawls - Why don't they just run to their friendly...
<[Gary] GARY-S> bank , S & L, thrift...
<[Gary] GARY-S> and get a Debit card ? Won't that make ecveryone happy ?
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Yeh!  I like it!...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Would GEnie take "Debit card"?....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> last I heard they only took MC VISA of Discovery
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> GEnie would treat the debit card like a credit card ...
<[Gary] GARY-S> same damn thing to them...
<[Gary] GARY-S> just no accounting hassel they have been fighting...
<[Gary] GARY-S> and yet to the user it is the same thing as a pre-payment..
<[Gary] GARY-S> without the obvious hangups odf auto withdrawl asnd credit 
<[Gary] GARY-S> cards.
<[Gary] GARY-S> IT solves both groups bitches !
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'd probably have to check with FEEDBACK...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> to see if they'd do it....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> another idea, as you mentioned that...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I thought, why don't they just open...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> another checking account?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> One of the biggest providers of..
<[Gary] GARY-S> debit cards is S & L's who use them as NOW account...
<[Gary] GARY-S> incentives ...and most of those debit..
<[Gary] GARY-S> cards are VISA !
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> either way, the user is in control...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> that would solve some of the problem...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> another group... works for the government...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> they want to be able to charge like NASA
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and I'm not sure that would work for them...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> although one thing I never followed up on...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> was some of these "governments" like NASA...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> may already have GEnie accounts...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> or accounts with GE but the people...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> we are dealing with don't know about it...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> this type of thing is usually not well known....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> since they are worried about abuse...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but I need to do the follow up...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> have the people ask, and try to find
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> out internally.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> I know some agencies even assign purchase orders thru..
<[Gary] GARY-S> debit cards. Any way check it out.
<[Gary] GARY-S> nuther subject ?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> shure
<[Gary] GARY-S> What do you know about..
<[Gary] GARY-S> the APL engine ? Commercial availability.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> APL engine?   I didn't know they had one
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> John Hopkins Applied Physics Lab 32-bit engine.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> oh!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> NOT APL the language :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> no, I haven't heard much....
<[Gary] GARY-S> No - not hardly
<[Gary] GARY-S> John Hayes project.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I propably have a paper on it...
<[Gary] GARY-S> I understand one just took a rocket ride.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> in my conference notebooks.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> want me to check?
<[Gary] GARY-S> I have some on it in FORML '86...
<[Gary] GARY-S> just wanted to know if it's for sale - now ?
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<P.APPELMAN> is here.
<[Gary] GARY-S> John is up to version 3 on the chip and it is in use ...
<[Gary] GARY-S> I just don't know if it can be bought be real folks like us.
<[Gary] GARY-S> du you ?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> got the paper gary, but haven't heard
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hello Peter
<[Gary] GARY-S> Do you know Peter ?
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> hi I'm new around here
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> no, but I'm sure he`ll tell us who he is
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> I'm also new to the Rtc, so have a little patience
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> no problem!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> we have a little protocol
<[Gary] GARY-S> I see Shifrin posted the latest J14 notes - I appreciate that a 
<[Gary] GARY-S> bunch
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but we rarely follow the whole thing.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> basically you type "ga" when your done talking
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> break in whenever you want...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but typing a "!!" will tell whoever..
<WC.COLEMAN> is here.
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> Hi all!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> is talking to let you have a chance
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hello bill
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> wow 2 new people!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> can you guys tell us who you are?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> peter you want to go first?
<[Gary] GARY-S> someone type ok and jump in there
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> ok
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> I have an Amiga and have been playing ...
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> with Forth for the last 2 years..
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> just as an hobbie
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well nice you could join us...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and Bill, how about you?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> I'm the Geos Sysop on the Commie Roundtable. Own a C64 and 
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> do the best I can with Forth considering the computer!
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> Bill - are you running parsec or the public domain Blazin' ?
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> Blazin'...great implementation i think.
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> If you've developed any programs or utyilities or have puilled 
<[Gary] GARY-S> some..
<[Gary] GARY-S> from somewhere else please put them in the library.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ok
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> the only complete prog I've written is a driver for my 
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> eprom burner.
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> I have to agree Scott did a great job with Blazin' for the 64 - 
<[Gary] GARY-S> Unless it's proprietary do put
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> !
<[Gary] GARY-S> the ROM burner up
<[Gary] GARY-S> thanks.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Peter, what Forth are you using?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> ok
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> none yet. I'm 80 percent done putting my own..
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> implementation of F83 up.
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> did I miss it, or what machine are you using?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> Amiga
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> that's right, ok...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well what can we do for you guys?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> question
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes bill?
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> I've been wanting to write a forth to run under Geos. Any 
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ideas where I can get info on where to start=?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I don't know anything about GEOS...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> is it 68000 OS?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> OK
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> All i need is some source for a core...I can figure it out 
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> from there. I want to keep it as compatable as possible.
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> sorry about 68000, you use C64 don't you
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> yes, 6502....ga
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> (I wish it was 68000!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok then, gee
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I don't know, what do we have on C64 gary?
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> !
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hange on bill
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> sure
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> we do have a file #41  C64TXT.ARC  describes Forth for C64..
<[Gary] GARY-S> I  don't know off hand - I am looking for my list - hang on
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it's a real pain without keyword searches...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> have you tried to search the library?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ok
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> yes. I remember seeing a file of source for Blazin' but it 
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> was a while ago (and Compuserve I think).
<[Gary] GARY-S> has left.
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes we have Blazin'
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes files # 55 and 56 are the docs and the Forth
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ok
<GARY-S> is here.
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> Yes I know...but they are not the source. I can write one 
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> now I think but I don't know the functions of the lower
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> level words (smudge, etc.) and I want it to be compatible.
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> gary did you find anything else
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> I just did a keyword on C64 and pulled up...
<[Gary] GARY-S> about 20 files - about half of them are Blazin'
<[Gary] GARY-S> specific with ARC, and a list of C64 Forth sources.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well, your best bet would be to look at Blazin internals...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I know this isn't cosher to disassemble, but...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it is the best way to learn Forth....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> as long as you don't publish a reverse engineer...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> we already had to deal with one of them...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> for another processor, but that is the best...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> way to learn what Blazin' is doing...
<[Gary] GARY-S> Blazin' source and Docs are files 55 and 56 and Blazin' is PD
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I don't think I've found ...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> any Forth that could show me...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> what another was doing with things...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> like SMUDGE, that's a tough one.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> I want mine to be original. I just need a nudge to get 
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> started!
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> do you have a dis-assembler in Blazin'?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ok.....two....ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well then just look!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> If you are determined to do things from scratch get the F83 
<[Gary] GARY-S> guide from
<[Gary] GARY-S> FIG and use that as a start...
<[Gary] GARY-S> the get Ting's 'Inside F83'.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes if Blazin' is at all simular....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> F83 will be a good guide...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you have all the source, and you...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> can see what "normally" goes on...
<[Gary] GARY-S> It has some 79-Forth, but is F83 flavored.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> SMUDGE "usually" sets a bit in the count...
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> if it has one on the name...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> F83 unlinks from the dictionary thread
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> Also - you might want to look at Rick Nixon's 6502 F83...
<[Gary] GARY-S> He is in the Atlanta FIG.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> do we have it gary?
<JDHALL> is here.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hello john
<[Gary] GARY-S> No we don't ...reason is Rick calls it like a shareware and I 
<[Gary] GARY-S> don't have
<JDHALL> hello.
<[Gary] GARY-S> a way tgo upload it.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I guess that means we'll have it soon :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> send me a C64 and modem for it and we can have it now !
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> or ... tell me who to send a disk to.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you mean you don't have a way to access it?
<[Gary] GARY-S> Dennis, I have a coipy of the disk. I do not have a way to read 
<[Gary] GARY-S> the disk.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> send me a disk, and I can do it
<[Gary] GARY-S> You have a C-64 ?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I know someone who does (I think)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> at least I've transfered stuff before
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok - but I want it back, I keep it for the chapter.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> we just connected it to the back of a PC
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and transfered with it's comm program...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> a pain, but perhaps bill could do it better...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> if we can trust him with the disk :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and he is will to put it up....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well Bill, how much you wan to get involved?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ok
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> I can upload it.....and I think I can even figure out how 
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> to mail it back :)
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> ga
<JDHALL> has left.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> Give me your address here or in E-Mail and I will send you the 
<[Gary] GARY-S> only copy I have.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> hullo ... speak to me
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> spoken!
<[Gary] GARY-S> what is the (sent by 4) ?
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> that means he sent you private message
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I agree...
<[Gary] GARY-S> stupid me thanks
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I wouldn't want my address on record either
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok then
<JAX> is here.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> one problem down
<[Gary] GARY-S> The disk will be in the mail manana - send it back when you're 
<[Gary] GARY-S> done
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> Actually i don't really care...force of habit.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and Jack is here!   hello Jack
<JAX> woof
<JAX> looks free form tonite
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> wel almost
<[Gary] GARY-S> it is Jax - how's Colo ?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Peter, you've been pretty quite
<JAX> put a super8 together today. Im back in CA till march
<[Gary] GARY-S> tell about the 8 !
<[Gary] GARY-S> is it cookin'?
<JAX> Won't start up the Zilog Super8 till tomorrow morning, owning to
<JAX> I only have one serial port on the Amiga and am talking to you guys!
<JAX> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you mean jack that you could plug it in...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and let us talk to it direct :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<JAX> That's an idea. 64 of these in a parallell network would make a hell ...
<JAX> of a Forth multiuser system. ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and we could do it right here on GEnie :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> just pick one of the RTC rooms...
<JAX> Interesting thought!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> write the proper software...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and get our computer to do this conference :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<JAX> disconnected.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> now where'd he go
<[Gary] GARY-S> Hmmm- make the count 63
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> to plug it in????
<[Gary] GARY-S> who knows Jax ?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> personnally or just here?
<[Gary] GARY-S> Either
<[Gary] GARY-S> I haven't figured him out here
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> he's been REAL interesting in these RTCs
<JAX> is here.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> been a real regular guest too
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and he's back!
<JAX> wise guy
<[Gary] GARY-S> Trying to out  guess you John- we all lost
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> are we talking to Super 8 now?
<JAX> no simple 6
<[bill] WC.COLEMAN> has left.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> what happened jack?
<JAX> your guess is as good as mine. phone hung up. But it was a good 
<JAX> FORTH day.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> FORTH day?
<JAX> Finished a program. Client is staisfied, shook hands, goodbye for now ...
<JAX> On my way to a Forth shop in Denver. Put together a Super 8, getting 
<JAX> ready ...
<JAX> to test it and build my first homebrew parallel processor...
<JAX> yeah, buddy, it WAS a good Forth day ... :-)
<JAX> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well that does sound good!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and now it is getting late...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Peter, did you have anything to say?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> no thanks for letting me listen..
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> just like to comment on the remarks on FD..
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> on the board..
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> I must have received mine by donkey..
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> it was too late for the Xmas special..
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> can you top that. ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> no, I guess I'm not the latest :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> sorry you missed it...
<JAX> hey pete how about some quick email afterwards .. or CB ...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> maybe if you sent a "nice letter"...
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> to FIG and explain...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> they would still give you the "special"...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hay you guys can stay...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> or feel free to use one of the other rooms...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> when I leave the notice will go down...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and the steno notes will stop...
<JAX> is there like a room two just for asking?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but be my guest and have fun.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes you can come into the RTC...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> anytime and talk with someone...
<JAX> i had wondered if that was the case
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you don't need us :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<JAX> Hey, who'd sweep up afterwards
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> sweep up what?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> are you planning on making a mess?
<JAX> all those ascii chars all over the floor :-)
<JAX> pete going to hang around?
<[Peter] P.APPELMAN> yes
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> just hit a few CRs and they'll scroll off
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok well, I'm getting tired...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I think I'll go to bed and try
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> to get over this cold..
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> thanks for comeing everyone...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> remember ever Thursday night...
<[Gary] GARY-S> Happy painting Dennis
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> same time same place..
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes, one more weekend (I hope) gary!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> gary, if you want to stay also....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you could move this to "your" room...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and even keep the steno going...
<[Gary] GARY-S> lookin' at my performance reports still to do - nope BYE
<[Gary] GARY-S> has left.
<JAX> pete how is f83 for the Amiga doing?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> that is if you guys want to be recorded :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> good night folks!
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