Sub: Minutes of FIGGY BAR RT Conference.

>From Steno: Jennifer Marlowe

Date: 01/14/88   Time: 21:34EST
Attendees:
[[Dennis] D.RUFFER]
[[Gary] GARY-S]
[[leonard] LMORGENSTERN]
[[Alan F.] ATFURMAN]

Minutes:
<GARY-S> is here.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hello gary
<LMORGENSTERN> is here.
<ATFURMAN> is here.
<[Gary] GARY-S> Hi urself - the UNARC Jerry sent over is OLD !
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well hello everybody!  Old UNARC?
<ATFURMAN> Greetings. Must leave midway. ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> I am currently using 16
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> !!
<[Gary] GARY-S> Alan - do you happen to know Forsley's bit, arpa or USEnet 
<[Gary] GARY-S> address ?
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga alan
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> ok
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> Not any more. Sorry.  The IAFR phone # is in their ads...
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> I just wanted to ask: was Kevin Appert at the last one of 
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> these? ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yes I think he stoped by
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> why do you ask?  ga
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> He was keen on this idea...
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> but did not learn it was being done until the holiday 
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> break in Figgy bar..
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> had commenced. ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> if I remember right...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> he came in late, like after 10...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but got in a few thoughts...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> with Lenoard and I, hey Lenoard...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> did you get a message written up?   ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> did Lenoard walk away?
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> or is he playing with macros again? <smile>
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> I'll try again. It isn't a macro, it's an upload
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ga
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> Last time, I suggested that I put up a message 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> suggesting that it would be a courtesy to the author
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> if those who want to reprint a piece  would ask the
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> author. I have been too busy to do it. Does anyone 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> have any second thoughts?
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ga
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga alan
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> Define "reprint" here. ga
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> The Houston FIG group did just that. I appreciated it 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> because there were
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ssome glitches & minor errors. The corrected files are
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> HOUFIG12.87
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga alan?
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> Leonard: my reception of your last message was totally 
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> trashed by line noise. ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard repeat please
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> The Houston FIG The Houston Fig reprinted some of my 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> short tutorials in their bulletin. I
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> appreciated the opportunity to correct some minor 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> glitches. See HOUFIG12.87
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> GAGA
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Lenoard, as I said last week...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I think it is perfectly appropriate...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> that we post a message reminding...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> downloaders to contact the authors....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> if they are thinking of reprinting...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> stuff they find here, and give them...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> the oporunity to fix any mistakes.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> I will prepare something & hope to have it ready in a 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> few days. ATV0X1
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ATDT836-5060
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ***** Edited Out *****
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN>
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> lenoard your in a script....
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and we all just saw your pasword...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> hope we all forget it immediatelly!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and I'll get rid of it before posting the log
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> Thanks. My program suddenly slipped out to DOS. In 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> getting back
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> the script played. I will change my password. ga
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga alan
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> Wonderful having computers DO THINGS FOR YOU whether you 
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> want it or not, eh? ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yea, I sometimes get caugth on that one also :-)
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but I always have my handy dandy Alt Nuke key...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'd recomend changing the password...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> no matter what,  I'm sure we can trust...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> everyone here, but just to be safe.
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> now where were we
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> I feel about passwords as I do about seatbelts. ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well as I was going to say...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'll find a place to post your message...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> or something close, as soon as I get it...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Does everone understand what Lenoard wants to do?   ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> yes
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> did you get or know of anyone..
<[Gary] GARY-S> who got any video tapes of the last FORML ?
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> gee... I should remember his name.....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> can't think of it right now, but....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> he got the whole FORML on his camcorder....
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> There was talk at the Nov FIG business meeting....
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> of doing something about all the years...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> of tapes they have but nothing was really started.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> they make great presentation material...
<[Gary] GARY-S> for chapter meetings. If anyone has anything of..
<[Gary] GARY-S> that nature I can BORROW please let me know.ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I know for a fact that most of the FORMLS...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and all of the Rochesters...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> have been taped.  They had someone who had...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> volunteered to edit them...
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and get them into sailable pieces.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> That volunteer was our (CAFIG) own..
<[Gary] GARY-S> Donald Long, but last I knew..
<[Gary] GARY-S> John (Hall) hadn't sent him the tapes and/or script.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> the name sounds familuar...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Now if I can remember what they were to do next...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I think your right, John Hall, or someone...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> had to give it a try on the National Convention
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> tapes.  That's the last I heard.   ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> I will talk to Donald next week and see if he has...
<[Gary] GARY-S> any idea if the project has foundered  or not. Nothing else 
<[Gary] GARY-S> till then.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> Leaving presently.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok alan
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> do you want to start anything before you leave?  <ducking>
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> no.ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> I am having trouble with uploads. When I upload a file,
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> my XMODEM CRC program records 30% retransmissions in
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> most cases, although a few have gone through without
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> any. Downloads are almost error free.
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ga
<[Alan F.] ATFURMAN> has left.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Lenoard that sounds like a timeout problem
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> I had the same high error rate on my last upload ...
<[Gary] GARY-S> which will remain nameless for now...
<[Gary] GARY-S> about 40 retries and 2 timeouts !
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I've noticed that GEnie is noticablye slow right now
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> Is there an easy solution? Is there any solution? ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> there is a soultion...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but you will have to know...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> something about your comm prog...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> there is a timeout period...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> after XMODEM sends a block...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> while it waits for the ACK...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> if you can increase this timeout...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it might solve the problem.   ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> I ran two different comm programs with one at 20ms and the 
<[Gary] GARY-S> other at...
<[Gary] GARY-S> 30 ms, those are pretty substantial delays, Dennis.
<[Gary] GARY-S> Same problem on both
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> excuse me while I see if I can found out what mine is  ga
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!!!
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga leonard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> I will check on that. But, the file upload is not the 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> problem,
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> although it's a nuisance. The problem is on messages, 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> where all looks
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ok, but when I read it back the next day, it's a mess! 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> I also include a 2ms delay on each character and..
<[Gary] GARY-S> that seems to completely resolve the message uploads...
<[Gary] GARY-S> you are notifying GEnie with a *U aren't you ?
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Gary] GARY-S> go leonard
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> You can use *U
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN>
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN>
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> AI"m paralyzed. I type & nothing happens
<[Gary] GARY-S> Yes, at the start of any line
<[Gary] GARY-S> type *U
<[Gary] GARY-S> and you will be prompted for an upload..
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ATV0X1
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ATDT836-5060
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN>
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN>
<[Gary] GARY-S> end with a control break.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> Wow, that's the sececond time it happened! ga
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> what happen lenoard?  ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S> leonard, did you get my instructions ?...
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Gary] GARY-S> if not they will be in the draft of this figgy bar
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ok
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> I  suddenly found myself in DOS & had to get back in 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> from outside! ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> interesting, but back to the uploads
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you have to wait for READY FOR INPUT...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> before you can sned anything
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ok
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> I know you can use *U for letters, but can you use it 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> for messages? Also
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> I got the instruction about introducing delays. I will 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> try it. ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> yea you can use it in the messages too...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you may have to use *UP however...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I remember one of them was different for some reason...
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I've noticed something about *UP...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> which works in ALL GEnie editors...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> that it adds an extra space to the end of lines...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> thus as the formater wraps the line...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you get two spaces where you typed a return...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> otherwise it works fine.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> ok
<[Gary] GARY-S>  You already covered it sorta...
<[Gary] GARY-S> but I have one of my super keys set for *UP and use it for all..
<[Gary] GARY-S> uploads and have zero problems...
<[Gary] GARY-S> I do limit line length to 75 characters.
<[Gary] GARY-S> ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> well I'm not using *UP...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> but always wait for the > prompt...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and also have 0 problems...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> this gets rid of the double spaces...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> since I do the same thing for the one time files...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it has been REALLY slow recently...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> coming back with the >, but haven't noticed it...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> loosing characters...
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> Lenoard were you using just a timeout between line?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ok
<J.FIDUCCIA> is here.
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> I have not consciously put in a timeout, & don't know 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> what MIRROR does.
<J.FIDUCCIA>
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> What happens to me is that I will get a message "BREAK 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> detected, and that line hasn't trnasmitted.
<J.FIDUCCIA> has left.
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> After I am through, I go back and type the missing 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> lines by hand. ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> a BREAK when your not uploading?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> and random exits to DOS?...
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> I'd get rid of MIRROR if I were you.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> This exiting to DOS has never happened before. ]
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> I assume the break is garbage on the line which
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> happens to transmit a control-c by accident. ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> you have your BREAK set for Ctrl C?
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> can MIRROR send a "real" BREAK?
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it is a lot harder to get with noise
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga lenoard
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> The manual tells me how to do it, but I tried it
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> and it doesn't seem to work. ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> It might not be possible with the modem your using  ga
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> ok
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> I am using a Hayes compatible. Maybe the problem is in 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> the turbo
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> speed on my processor? I will try running at the slow 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> speed. ga
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> that may be a problem too...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> if MIRROR only sends it for a short time...
<[Gary] GARY-S> !!
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> the turbo may make it too short...
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> it has to be 300 ms I believe.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ga gary
<[Gary] GARY-S> gotta go - phone time - ciao
<[Gary] GARY-S> has left.
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> I need to leave also. Thanks for a good session!!!!!! 
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> Leonard.
<[leonard] LMORGENSTERN> has left.
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> ok lenoard
<[Dennis] D.RUFFER> see ya later