Article: 81340 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: news.tuwien.ac.at!newsfeed.ACO.net!swidir.switch.ch!univ-lyon1.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!adep From: adep@netcom.com (akilesh deperalta) Subject: Magic against MR Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 19:18:30 GMT Lines: 6 Sender: adep@netcom10.netcom.com A friend of mine wants to know whether MR could be considered a force/quality - something at least a little bit seperate from the creature that carried it. If so, then high level mages could craft spells attacking MR itself, destroying or at least disabling it. What do you think? Article: 81342 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: news.tuwien.ac.at!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!drusmith From: drusmith@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dru A Smith) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: Magic against MR Date: 4 Jun 1995 20:00:01 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3qt3c1$it1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In article , akilesh deperalta wrote: >A friend of mine wants to know whether MR could be considered a >force/quality - something at least a little bit seperate from the >creature that carried it. If so, then high level mages could craft >spells attacking MR itself, destroying or at least disabling it. What do >you think? > I think this is entirely possible, but needs to be done verrrrrrrry carefully, to maintain a consistancy with your own group's rulings on MR. Consider that a Wish spell could attack someone's MR (I wish that the creature's Magic Resistance would cease to work for 1 hour). This means that it is not IMpossible to do, but not a simple thing either. Dru ---------------------------------------------------------------- "...all life is only a set of pictures in the brain, among which there is no difference betwixt those born of real things and those born of inward dreamings, and no cause to value the one above the other" -- H.P. Lovecraft, The Silver Key Article: 81426 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: news.tuwien.ac.at!newsfeed.ACO.net!swidir.switch.ch!univ-lyon1.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!news From: "Steve Semler" Subject: Re: Magic against MR Message-ID: <60579.seml0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu> X-Minuet-Version: Minuet1.0_Beta_16 Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-3-236.gw.umn.edu X-Popmail-Charset: English Reply-To: Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:23:55 GMT Lines: 17 adep@netcom.com wrote: >A friend of mine wants to know whether MR could be considered a >force/quality - something at least a little bit seperate from the >creature that carried it. If so, then high level mages could craft >spells attacking MR itself, destroying or at least disabling it. What do >you think? Cool idea! One archmage now committed to research. See you in a few weeks...! *** ------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Steve Semler | ESSE QUAM VIDERI (612) 948-0221 voice | "To be, and not to seem" Email: seml0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu | (or, Substance beats Image) *** ------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Article: 81435 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: news.tuwien.ac.at!newsfeed.ACO.net!swidir.switch.ch!univ-lyon1.fr!jussieu.fr!oleane!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!trane.uninett.no!due.unit.no!usenet From: ]dne Brunborg Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: Magic against MR Date: 5 Jun 1995 17:39:34 GMT Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3qvfgm$agi@due.unit.no> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: jord.alkymi.unit.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-------------------------------2151617235225" X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) To: dynna X-URL: file:/home/alkymi/brunborg/.sig This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------------------2151617235225 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii adep@netcom.com (akilesh deperalta) wrote: >A friend of mine wants to know whether MR could be considered a >force/quality - something at least a little bit seperate from the >creature that carried it. If so, then high level mages could craft >spells attacking MR itself, destroying or at least disabling it. What do >you think? > It all depends on the DM (as usual), but I'm positive to the idea. MR creatures are usually magical in nature, and concidering what a Dispel Magic can do with personal spells such as Fly, a higher level "Dispel MR" could render the ability inpoerate for, say 2d6 rounds + 2 rounds per level (or something). Relating the spell to Anti-Magic Shell, I would place it on 5th level (or perhaps 6th - 5th if saving throw to negate and 6th if the chance of success is as per Dispel Magic). Range; somewhere around 10 yards + 5 yards/level, components could be body-parts from MR creatures or expensive gems... In any case, the creature would still get his MR roll to negate the spell effect.:) ---------------------------------2151617235225 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain -- I am not a lawyer, nor do I pretend to be. The above suggestions are not to be taken as legal advice but are merely friendly suggestions. [butt-covering] +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + o + + + Adne Brunborg + No matter how subtle the wizard, a + + brunborg@alkymi.unit.no + knife in the shoulder blades will + + NTH, Trondheim, Norway + seriously cramp his style + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://www.stud.unit.no/~brunborg/ ---------------------------------2151617235225-- Article: 81446 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: news.tuwien.ac.at!newsfeed.ACO.net!swidir.switch.ch!univ-lyon1.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!usenet From: Steven C Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: Magic against MR Date: 5 Jun 1995 22:13:24 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3qvvi4$t3h@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <60579.seml0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs500-8.sl020.cns.vt.edu "Steve Semler" wrote: > > adep@netcom.com wrote: > > >A friend of mine wants to know whether MR could be considered a > >force/quality - something at least a little bit seperate from the > >creature that carried it. If so, then high level mages could craft > >spells attacking MR itself, destroying or at least disabling it. What do > >you think? > > > Cool idea! One archmage now committed to research. See you in a few > weeks...! Check out Lower Resistance, the 5th level abjuration/alteration spell from the Tome of Magic. The caster can lower the target's MR by 30%, plus 1% per level of the caster. The target gets to check his MR to resist this spell, tho :( Steven C nor Fame I slight, nor for her favors call she comes unlook'd for, if she comes at all. Article: 81506 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: news.tuwien.ac.at!newsfeed.ACO.net!swidir.switch.ch!univ-lyon1.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!mr.net!news.mr.net!urvile.msus.edu!tigger.stcloud.msus.edu!WEEKLT01 From: weeklt01@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: Magic against MR Date: 6 Jun 1995 01:49:06 GMT Organization: ST. CLOUD STATE UNIVERSITY, ST. CLOUD, MN Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3r0c6i$c78@urvile.MSUS.EDU> References: <60579.seml0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Reply-To: weeklt01@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: tigger.stcloud.msus.edu In article <60579.seml0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu>, "Steve Semler" writes: >adep@netcom.com wrote: > >>A friend of mine wants to know whether MR could be considered a >>force/quality - something at least a little bit seperate from the >>creature that carried it. If so, then high level mages could craft >>spells attacking MR itself, destroying or at least disabling it. What do >>you think? > Actually, I think there is a spell in the ToM called Lower Resistance. From what I can remember, it lowers MR by about 5%/level of the caster, or something like that. I can't remember if it has to get by the MR first or not, but it can be a very nice spell, when needed. Todd W. Article: 81523 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: news.tuwien.ac.at!newsfeed.ACO.net!swidir.switch.ch!univ-lyon1.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!newsserver.rdcs.Kodak.COM!usenet From: gemjmd@kodak.com (Scooby) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: Magic against MR Date: 6 Jun 1995 13:37:38 GMT Organization: Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3r1ln2$20r@kodak.rdcs.Kodak.COM> References: <3qvfgm$agi@due.unit.no> Reply-To: gemjmd@kodak.com NNTP-Posting-Host: gems01.rdcs.kodak.com adep@netcom.com (akilesh deperalta) wrote: >A friend of mine wants to know whether MR could be considered a >force/quality - something at least a little bit seperate from the >creature that carried it. If so, then high level mages could craft >spells attacking MR itself, destroying or at least disabling it. What do >you think? > I would definitly say YES! Because there is a spell in the Tome of Magic (4th level Lower resistance) that does specificaly that! Thus a higher level spell could reduce it more, and/or even eliminate it for awhile. Just whats out there! Scooby Article: 81570 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: news.tuwien.ac.at!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!world!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!usenet From: Bruce Pierpont Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: Magic against MR Date: 6 Jun 1995 18:13:19 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 36 Message-ID: <3r25rv$cbn@linus.mitre.org> References: <3qvfgm$agi@due.unit.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: kipling.mitre.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4c) X-URL: news:3qvfgm$agi@due.unit.no ]dne Brunborg wrote: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >---------------------------------2151617235225 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >adep@netcom.com (akilesh deperalta) wrote: >>A friend of mine wants to know whether MR could be considered a >>force/quality - something at least a little bit seperate from the >>creature that carried it. If so, then high level mages could craft >>spells attacking MR itself, destroying or at least disabling it. What do >>you think? I don't know if you are following the Mystara campaign, but the Mystara boxed set for Glantri contains several spells which hinder magic resistance. A 5th level spell is given which causes the next spell cast to require two resistance rolls, for each failed roll the creature must make a Save (if one is allowed) if either Save is failed the creature is affected. I don't remember the exact level (I think 8th or 9th) but there was also a spell that cause the next spell cast to punch through any form of magic resistance (minor globe, spell turning, MR, etc.) except I think an Anti-Magic Shell. You'd have to read the book to get exact limitations. Similarly there was also a 6th level spell which allowed ceratures immune to certain weapon types (requires +1, silver, etc.) to be hit by any weapon. I don't know if your interested in the Mystara campaign of not, but I'd recommend the Glantri set just for the new spells (most of the book), and for ideas on somethings the DM could do with mages in his own campaign. __ |] |] |]ruce | ierpont Article: 81621 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: news.tuwien.ac.at!newsfeed.ACO.net!swidir.switch.ch!univ-lyon1.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!janus.cqu.edu.au!topaz.cqu.edu.au!naglep From: naglep@topaz.cqu.edu.au (The Raven) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: Magic against MR Date: 7 Jun 95 09:36:43 +1000 Organization: Central Queensland University, Australia Lines: 35 Message-ID: <1995Jun7.093643@topaz> References: <60579.seml0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.cqu.edu.au In article <60579.seml0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu>, "Steve Semler" writes: > adep@netcom.com wrote: > >>A friend of mine wants to know whether MR could be considered a >>force/quality - something at least a little bit seperate from the >>creature that carried it. If so, then high level mages could craft >>spells attacking MR itself, destroying or at least disabling it. What do >>you think? > > > Cool idea! One archmage now committed to research. See you in a few > weeks...! > > *** ------------------------------------------------------------------- *** > Steve Semler | ESSE QUAM VIDERI > (612) 948-0221 voice | "To be, and not to seem" > Email: seml0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu | (or, Substance beats Image) > *** ------------------------------------------------------------------- *** In the Tome of magic there is a spell LOWER RESISTENCE that lowres a cretures magic resistence by 30% + 1% oper wizard level. ( Abj. Alt. magic) I suppose that you could research other spells affecting MR ( after all if TSR can why can't you). Paul. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Nagle B. App. Sc. (Physics) Hons. _--_|\ Grad. Dip. App. Comp. ( Final Year External) -/------*- Central Queensland University \_.--._/ Rockhampton, Qld. v email : naglep@topaz.cqu.edu.au ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  Article: 81628 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: news.tuwien.ac.at!newsfeed.ACO.net!swidir.switch.ch!univ-lyon1.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!adep From: adep@netcom.com (akilesh deperalta) Subject: Re: Magic against MR Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <60579.seml0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu> <3qvvi4$t3h@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 01:30:07 GMT Lines: 28 Sender: adep@netcom20.netcom.com Steven C (slight@bev.net) wrote: : "Steve Semler" wrote: : > : > adep@netcom.com wrote: : > : > A friend of mine wants to know whether MR could be considered a : > force/quality - something at least a little bit seperate from the : > creature that carried it. If so, then high level mages could craft : > spells attacking MR itself, destroying or at least disabling it. What do : > you think? : > : > : > Cool idea! One archmage now committed to research. See you in a few : > weeks...! : Check out Lower Resistance, the 5th level abjuration/alteration spell : from the Tome of Magic. The caster can lower the target's MR by 30%, : plus 1% per level of the caster. The target gets to check his MR to : resist this spell, tho :( Well, what about a, say, 8th or 9th level spell that let them resist with very very severe penalties? : Steven C : nor Fame I slight, nor for her favors call : she comes unlook'd for, if she comes at all. Article: 81756 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: news.tuwien.ac.at!newsfeed.ACO.net!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au!newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au!usenet From: thin@cleo.murdoch.edu.au (Luke Thin) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: Magic against MR Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 02:00:46 GMT Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3r5p0cINNd6t@newsman.murdoch.edu.au> References: <3qvfgm$agi@due.unit.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: cleo.murdoch.edu.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 ]dne Brunborg wrote: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >---------------------------------2151617235225 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >adep@netcom.com (akilesh deperalta) wrote: >>A friend of mine wants to know whether MR could be considered a >>force/quality - something at least a little bit seperate from the >>creature that carried it. If so, then high level mages could craft >>spells attacking MR itself, destroying or at least disabling it. What do >>you think? I think there is a spell in the Tome of Magic or somewhere that attackts magic resistance. 5th Level Lower Resistance (Abjuration, Alteration) . . When cast against a magic resistant creature the creature's magic resistance is halved for the purposes of resisting this spell. If the spell penetrates the MR then the creature's MR is reduced by 30% + 2%/lvl of caster (I think). Only one creature is affected at a time and no saving throw is allowed. This spell would probably be used only against singularly powerful creatures such as single mindflyer etc. Of course you can research a spell that enhances other spells by defeating MR in the same way as Lower Resistance do but it would probably have to be of a higher level. Luke Article: 81765 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: news.tuwien.ac.at!newsfeed.ACO.net!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!dorite!news From: Beleghir Subject: Re: Magic against MR Message-ID: Sender: news@dorite.use.com (News Admin) Reply-To: beleghir@holli.com Organization: HolliCom Internet Services X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.6 References: <3r0cpm$i2q@worm.hooked.net> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 00:48:11 GMT Lines: 30 In article <3r0cpm$i2q@worm.hooked.net>, rlross@worm.hooked.net says... > >In rec.games.frp.dnd adep@netcom.com (akilesh deperalta) said: > > >>A friend of mine wants to know whether MR could be considered a >force/quality - >>something at least a little bit seperate from the creature that carried >it. If >>so, then high level mages could craft spells attacking MR itself, >destroying or >>at least disabling it. What do you think? > >IMHO magic resistance is not something tangable(sp) it's more like your >saving throw versus anything, it's a number we assign to represent >something that has no real world application... sort of.... > >rob >-- >If it's about "birds" you must be talking to Lisa > >RLROSS "Don't mess with it get a larger hammer!" Interesting idea, but it doesn't fit when in the Tome of Magic there is a spell designed specifically attack a creature's Magic Resistance; "Lower Resistance". Which I believe answers the original question. Beleghir