Article: 10572 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!emory!uumind!runic!thantos From: thantos@runic.via.mind.org (Paul Williams[SysOp]) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 93 12:21:37 EST References: <1993Mar19.225051.3633@pony.Ingres.COM> Organization: Runic Writings / Lawrenceville, GA Lines: 23 dwilson@Ingres.COM (Dave Wilson) writes: > >1) "Surrender" > >2) Priest: Gives a verbal order > > then "Obey" > > > >Number two is quite versitile. "Drop your weapons" "Obey" > > I've found "Vomit!" to be quite effective, and even amusing... To tell the truth, I've always found "Masturbate" a lovely command... I even went so far as to make a "Power Word: Masturbate" version... The main advantage is getting the armour on the enemy's lower torso off for interesting called-shots. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- thantos@runic.via.mind.org (Paul Williams [SysOp]) | PGP 2.0 Key avail ...!emory!uumind!runic!thantos | upon request. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mecha: It is said that these metal giants were shaped like men, so the alien servants of evil would know it was Man who defeated them. Article: 10585 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcsun!sunic!ugle.unit.no!alkymi.unit.no!brunborg From: brunborg@alkymi.unit.no (]dne Brunborg) Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: <1993Mar22.104844.27817@ugle.unit.no> Sender: news@ugle.unit.no (NetNews Administrator) Organization: Norwegian Institute of Technology References: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 93 10:48:44 GMT Lines: 25 In article , jcarl@jabba.ess.harris.com (Joe Carl Jr.) writes: > I was trying to think of some original uses for the Priest spell > command besides "Die" and things of that nature. > > How do you all like this use > > 1) "Surrender" > 2) Priest: Gives a verbal order > then "Obey" > > Number two is quite versitile. "Drop your weapons" "Obey" > > Joe Carl The priest in our campaicn used "Panic" on a person in a mob that was watching an Improved Phantasmal Force crawling towards them. Great success! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + + + + ++brunborg@alkymi.unit.no+ + "Yeah, alright! I've got something to say: + + + It's better to burn out, than fade away!" + + ++brunborg@solan.unit.no++ + + + o + (Def Leppard: "Rock of Ages", Pyromania 1983) + + - Adne Brunborg - + + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Article: 10591 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at!alex From: alex@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Forst) Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> Sender: news@email.tuwien.ac.at Nntp-Posting-Host: mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at Organization: Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien References: <1993Mar22.104844.27817@ugle.unit.no> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 12:48:40 GMT Lines: 17 I don't have the PHB with me but I remember that you cannot use a word as a command which is also a noun. So IMO you can't use "sleep" or "shit" as commands. "fall" is a problem because it is also a season. But, "masturbate" works!!! Alex -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |"Dad! You shot the Flanders-Zombie!" | Alexander Forst | | "He was a Zombie?" | alex@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at| | | University of Technology Vienna| | Bart & Homer Simpson | Institute of Computer Languages| +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Article: 10594 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!darwin.sura.net!jabba.ess.harris.com!jabba!jcarl From: jcarl@jabba.ess.harris.com (Joe Carl Jr.) Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@jabba.ess.harris.com (Usenet News Feed Account) Nntp-Posting-Host: jabba Organization: Harris Corporation - ISD References: <1993Mar22.104844.27817@ugle.unit.no> <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 13:26:20 GMT Lines: 20 In <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> alex@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Forst) writes: >I don't have the PHB with me but I remember that you cannot use a word as >a command which is also a noun. >So IMO you can't use "sleep" or "shit" as commands. >"fall" is a problem because it is also a season. >But, "masturbate" works!!! Well the wording is more like: the command word must absolutely clear and unequivocal. So Suicide doesn't work because it doesn't say how but Die does work because there is no doubt as to what it means -- Joe Carl Jr. "It ain't what a man don't know that makes him a jcarl@jabba.ess.harris.com fool, but what he does know that ain't so." -- Josh Billings Article: 10619 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ug!alanb Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: From: alanb@sdl.ug.eds.com (Alan Braggins) Date: 22 Mar 93 14:59:13 GMT References: <1993Mar22.104844.27817@ugle.unit.no><1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> Organization: Shape Data (Division of EDS), Cambridge UK Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.244.153.164 In-reply-to: alex@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at's message of Mon, 22 Mar 1993 12:48:40 GMT Lines: 30 >>>>> On Mon, 22 Mar 1993 12:48:40 GMT, alex@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Forst) said: > I don't have the PHB with me but I remember that you cannot use a word as > a command which is also a noun. > So IMO you can't use "sleep" or "shit" as commands. > "fall" is a problem because it is also a season. > But, "masturbate" works!!! We had lengthy discussions about a similar spell in a live action system (Voice of Power). "Surrender" was common, so was "Flee". "Obey", it was ruled, led to the victim obeying _any_ command given to him, including any he gave himself. Commands like "Ignore all commands except mine" didn't work. "Die" left the victim falling over unconscious (if the spell wasn't removed (Remove Voice of Power or kill the caster), they would eventually die of starvation). "Strip" (especially on heavily armoured foes), and "fornicate" (keeps another victim busy too, keeping the first one off if nothing else) were also considered, but I never saw them used. I can't remember whether nouns were forbidden (given that "Die" wasn't disallowed for being the singular of dice, probably not), but it was pointed out that "To suicide" is not a verb, its "To commit suicide". "Berserk" was also popular when the caster was protected, leaving the rest of the party as the only targets. -- Alan Braggins +44-223-316673 Shape Data, A Division of EDS-Scicon Ltd, alanb@sdl.ug.eds.com Regent St, Cambridge, CB2 1DB, U.K. Article: 10668 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.cc.lehigh.edu!lafibm.lafayette.edu From: HC61@lafibm.lafayette.edu (HC61000) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: <22MAR93.25369818.0059@lafibm.lafayette.edu> Date: 23 Mar 93 04:29:26 GMT References: <1993Mar22.104844.27817@ugle.unit.no> <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> Sender: usenet@lafibm.lafayette.edu Organization: Lafayette College Lines: 16 Originator: news@lafcol Nntp-Posting-Host: lafibm In article <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> alex@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Forst) writes: >I don't have the PHB with me but I remember that you cannot use a word as >a command which is also a noun. > >So IMO you can't use "sleep" or "shit" as commands. Sleep isn't a noun? >"fall" is a problem because it is also a season. Depends on the game world. >But, "masturbate" works!!! > >Alex >-- >. >. Article: 10672 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!network.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!metro!mippet.ci.com.au!news.cs.uow.edu.au!news.cs.uow.edu.au!not-for-mail From: u9245340@wyvern.cs.uow.edu.au (Nicholas Daniel Boyle) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Date: 23 Mar 1993 18:20:38 +1000 Organization: University of Wollongong, NSW, Australia. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1omh8m$c84@wyvern.cs.uow.edu.au> References: <1993Mar22.104844.27817@ugle.unit.no> <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: wyvern.cs.uow.edu.au alex@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Forst) writes: >"fall" is a problem because it is also a season. only if you're an american... autumn is the season in OZ and other countries ... esp medieval.. Nick -- +=========== Nicholas Boyle Email: u9245340@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au ============+ | ?CAFFEINE NOT FOUND ERROR? | On a clear disk you can seek forever.... | | PROGRAMMER HALTED. | My mother thinks I'm a Salmon! | +====== Media Officer, Wollongong University Simulation Games Society =======+ Article: 10673 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!uunet!pipex!mfmail!dnh From: dnh@mfltd.co.uk (Des Herriott (x.5354)) Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: <1993Mar22.153454.12996@mfltd.co.uk> Sender: news@mfltd.co.uk (News Login) Reply-To: dnh@mfltd.co.uk Organization: Micro Focus Ltd. References: <1993Mar22.104844.27817@ugle.unit.no> <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 15:34:54 GMT Lines: 19 In article <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at>, alex@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Forst) writes: > I don't have the PHB with me but I remember that you cannot use a word as > a command which is also a noun. > > So IMO you can't use "sleep" or "shit" as commands. > > "fall" is a problem because it is also a season. Unless, of course, you're playing D&D in England... :-) Seriously though, I don't see any reason not to allow Commands like "sleep" - after all, in the context we're talking about, it's pretty unambiguous. I'm not so sure about "shit", tho'... -- Des Herriott, Micro Focus, Newbury. +44 (0635) 565354 dnh@mfltd.co.uk Article: 10680 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!psgrain!m2xenix!agora!mehawk From: mehawk@agora.rain.com (Michael Sandy) Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: Organization: Open Communications Forum References: <1993Mar22.104844.27817@ugle.unit.no> <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> <22MAR93.25369818.0059@lafibm.lafayette.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 09:56:15 GMT Lines: 20 A GM almost let a helm of telepathy fall into my Cleric's hands. In addition to almost unlimited suggestions, the Helm enables silently voiced Commands like: Kill! (To someone standing right behind the enemy leader, only\ usable with telepathy, or a potion or spell of ventriloqism to target it right. Freeze! (useful is hostage, or other delicate situations where a fireball can't be used to take out a guard.) Freeze is good for quiet take out because the body doesn't fall before the thief slits his throat. (Oh yeah, Cleric of Loki. Did I forget to mention that?) -- Michael Sandy mehawk@agora.rain.com "The truly paranoid are clever enough to not _act_ paranoid." Article: 10690 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!uunet!pipex!sunic!aun.uninett.no!nuug!dhhalden.no!pc127.dhhalden.no!gunnarh From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO) Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: Lines: 23 Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Nntp-Posting-Host: pc127 Organization: Ostfold College References: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 15:05:03 GMT In article dant@cs.utexas.edu (Dan Alexander Thompson) writes: >I had a good one in my last gaming session. A couple of ogres charged my >cleric and a wild mage. The wild mage accidentally opened up a 15' deep pit >right in front of us, which the ogres charged right into! (The spell was color >spray, and they were blinded, so didn't see the pit.) As soon as one of them >got back up and had just climbed back to the top of the pit, I used a command: >"Fall." Whammo--another 1.5d6 damage! > Does this mean that ogres can speak common? The spell description clearly states that the target has to hear and _understand_ the command. MAIL-mail: gunnarh@sofus.dhhalden.no SNAIL-mail: Gunnar Horrigmo gunnarh@fenris.dhhalden.no Oskleiva 17 N-1772 Norway ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: The above posting may seem like insignificant rubbish at first glance, but if you read between the lines, you will be surprised to discover the annals of Burt Bacharach, world peace, Oxford Advanced Readers Dictionary, quantum physics made easy, and an easy-to-use step-by-step walkthrough on how to make a time travelling device that actually works. Article: 10711 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!gatech!concert!uvaarpa!maxwell!jat6h From: jat6h@Virginia.EDU ("Mars, the Bringer of War") Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: <1993Mar23.184349.11560@Virginia.EDU> Organization: University of Virginia References: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 18:43:49 GMT Lines: 4 My personal favorite that I've heard used is "interdigitate." (verb: to entwine one's fingers.) It certainly renders the victem unable to react...other good ones are "autodefenestrate" (to cast oneself out a window) "cower." Article: 10719 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!caen!news.mtu.edu!mtus5!cacharbe Organization: Computing Technology Services, Michigan Technological Univ. Date: Tuesday, 23 Mar 1993 15:10:18 EST From: Message-ID: <93082.151018CACHARBE@MTUS5.BITNET> Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? References: <1993Mar22.104844.27817@ugle.unit.no><1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at Lines: 13 I have a question more than an addition, but it goes right along with this thread so... Would hyphenated words work? ex: Slam-Dance! These could lead to some pretty interesting results, neh? -- Chuck Charbeneau cacharbe@mtus5.bitnet cacharbe@major.cs.mtu.edu Article: 10745 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!scsing.switch.ch!ira.uka.de!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!bogus.sura.net!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!uunet!decwrl!pa.dec.com!nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!dbased.nuo.dec.com!kibo!tomj From: tomj@kibo.nuo.dec.com (Tom Jaskiewicz) Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: <1993Mar23.210153.26464@dbased.nuo.dec.com> Sender: news@dbased.nuo.dec.com (USENET News System) Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation References: <1993Mar22.104844.27817@ugle.unit.no> <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1993 21:01:53 GMT Lines: 8 In article alanb@sdl.ug.eds.com (Alan Braggins) writes: >"Strip" (especially on heavily armoured foes), and "fornicate" (keeps >another victim busy too, keeping the first one off if nothing else) >were also considered, but I never saw them used. "Sodomize!" might be amusing. My personal favorite is "Grovel!". Article: 10748 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!scsing.switch.ch!ira.uka.de!yale.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!newshub.nosc.mil!humu!nctams1!nctams1!pnet16!n36ia From: n36ia@pnet16.cts.com (Et3 Francis) Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Organization: People-Net [pnet16], NCTAMS EASTPAC Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 02:56:05 GMT Message-ID: <1993Mar24.025605.13767@nctams1.uucp> Sender: root@nctams1.uucp (Super user) Lines: 16 I tried this one in a PBEM game I was running. Unfortunately the mage I cast it on saved but I thought it was a good idea at the time. The situation was... A Necromancer and a bunch of kobalds were waylaying a party that consisted of a gnome professor, a drow ranger, a human fighter and a elven m-user. The ranger was surrounded by kobalds and having a tough time of it while the fighter was rushing in trying to get him out. This left the gnome and the m-user to confront a group of 4 kobalds and the necromancer. The gnome was preparing his crossbow as the mage got his one spell ready...sleep. The necromancer won initiative and cast his command spell on the mage. As the final gestures were completed he yelled to the mage "CHARGE". I still think it was too bad that the mage saved since after that the mage got off the sleep spell and downed a lot of the bad guys. Brian STAR TREK: Deep Space Nine... To boldly stay where no man has stayed before. Article: 10763 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!jabba.ess.harris.com!jabba!jcarl From: jcarl@jabba.ess.harris.com (Joe Carl Jr.) Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@jabba.ess.harris.com (Usenet News Feed Account) Nntp-Posting-Host: jabba Organization: Harris Corporation - ISD References: <1993Mar22.104844.27817@ugle.unit.no><1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at <93082.151018CACHARBE@MTUS5.BITNET> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 14:12:34 GMT Lines: 19 In <93082.151018CACHARBE@MTUS5.BITNET> writes: > I have a question more than an addition, but it goes right along with this >thread so... > Would hyphenated words work? > ex: Slam-Dance! >These could lead to some pretty interesting results, neh? I say no. Slam in nothing more than adverb for Dance, describing how to Dance Once you allow that, then you can add any modifier you want and it would get out of hand real fast -- Joe Carl Jr. "It ain't what a man don't know that makes him a jcarl@jabba.ess.harris.com fool, but what he does know that ain't so." -- Josh Billings Article: 10764 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!jabba.ess.harris.com!jabba!jcarl From: jcarl@jabba.ess.harris.com (Joe Carl Jr.) Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@jabba.ess.harris.com (Usenet News Feed Account) Nntp-Posting-Host: jabba Organization: Harris Corporation - ISD References: <1993Mar23.184349.11560@Virginia.EDU> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 14:13:22 GMT Lines: 15 In <1993Mar23.184349.11560@Virginia.EDU> jat6h@Virginia.EDU ("Mars, the Bringer of War") writes: >My personal favorite that I've heard used is "interdigitate." (verb: >to entwine one's fingers.) It certainly renders the victem >unable to react...other good ones are "autodefenestrate" (to >cast oneself out a window) "cower." Your averge victem wouldn't understand those words, and would then ignore them. Nice try though -- Joe Carl Jr. "It ain't what a man don't know that makes him a jcarl@jabba.ess.harris.com fool, but what he does know that ain't so." -- Josh Billings Article: 10815 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!scsing.switch.ch!univ-lyon1.fr!zaphod.crihan.fr!pipex!uunet!munnari.oz.au!metro!usage!mummy.agsm.unsw.OZ.AU!barnett From: barnett@mummy.agsm.unsw.OZ.AU (Glen Barnett) Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: <1993Mar25.014005.7915@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> Sender: news@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU Nntp-Posting-Host: mummy.agsm.unsw.oz.au Organization: The Australian Graduate School of Management References: <1993Mar22.104844.27817@ugle.unit.no> <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 01:40:05 GMT Lines: 45 In article jcarl@jabba.ess.harris.com (Joe Carl Jr.) writes: >In <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> alex@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Forst) writes: > >>I don't have the PHB with me but I remember that you cannot use a word as >>a command which is also a noun. > >>So IMO you can't use "sleep" or "shit" as commands. > >>"fall" is a problem because it is also a season. > >>But, "masturbate" works!!! > >Well the wording is more like: > >the command word must absolutely clear and unequivocal. >So Suicide doesn't work because it doesn't say how >but Die does work because there is no doubt as to what it means >-- This always strikes me a *weird*. Remember, the command is *spoken*, not written. I say that 'Die' could easily be mistaken for 'Dye', or indeed for the name of a polyhedron with numbers or spots on the face. I feel that, if anything Suicide is *less* ambiguous than Die. Sleep seems reasonable. Remember, just because its in the books doesn't mean it makes sense. What you need to do is establish a reasonable policy for your campaign, one that everyone can live with, preferably reasonably consistent, and that doesn't make command either totally powerful or totally useless. Actually, this is a good spell to introduce a 'novelty' rule for. e.g. 1) Against the same creature a specific command will only word once. 2) In one day, a specific command can only work once 3) (tough:) a command will only ever work once. you basically want something so you get some variety with command. Glen Article: 10831 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!hp4at!mcsun!uunet!psinntp!npri6!murphy From: murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: <6968@npri6.npri.com> Date: 24 Mar 93 17:51:46 GMT References: <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> Distribution: world Organization: NPRI, Alexandria VA Lines: 29 > I don't have the PHB with me but I remember that you cannot use a word as > a command which is also a noun. > > So IMO you can't use "sleep" or "shit" as commands. > > "fall" is a problem because it is also a season. > >alex@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Forst) this is a good example of REALLY REALLY STUPID rules which make no sense; the other is "saying the name of a diety, demon or devil might cause that individual to appear". "DIE" could be "DYE", which is both a noun *and* a verb, or it could even be the noun "DIE" which we all know and love, so what's the point of making this rule? "hell" is a common (if coarse) interjection but also the name of the norse goddess of death "hel" . . . what's the point? just so the DM can gleefully roll up a disasterous encounter? whenever a priest in our game uses a Command Word, the DM makes a roll to see if the target understands the language in use. this is completely illogical, even in an FRP setting. ok dpm -- murphy@npri6.npri.com (systems programmer at large) When every one is dead 602 Cameron St. the Great Game is finished Alexandria, VA 22314 Not before. (703) 683-9090 --- Hurree Babu, "Kim" Article: 10834 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!hp4at!mcsun!uunet!amusing!retreat!drool From: drool@retreat.Bah.Rochester.NY.US (Paul Coene) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Followup-To: rec.games.frp.dnd Distribution: world Reply-To: drool@retreat.Bah.Rochester.NY.US References: <1oii84$rp0@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <1oi65mINN1vu@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> Organization: Keywords: Summary: Message-ID: Date: 23 Mar 93 20:53:53 EST Organization: Not an Organization Lines: 16 In article <1oii84$rp0@bigboote.WPI.EDU> natek@gelfand.WPI.EDU (Nate King) writes: > The priest casts the spell and the tells the victim 'Masturbate'. > The victim then removes armor and begins to jerk-off. > After the spell wears off the victim is: > 1) not wearing armor (at least in some areas) > 2) caught in a very embarassing situation > > It made for quite the hilarious campaign.....Hee Hee Ha Ha This actually happened in our campaign, but with a twist. Our mage had cast blindness at the creature the same round (no planning, it just happened). I guess it just goes to show that the old wise tale about going blind was true... <: Drool :> ARPA: drool@retreat.Bah.Rochester.NY.US UUCP: kodak!bisco!retreat!drool Article: 10863 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!gatech!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!transfer.stratus.com!samsung!balrog!cyoung From: cyoung@ctron.com (Christopher K. Young) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: <7474@balrog.ctron.com> Date: 25 Mar 93 15:43:49 GMT References: <1993Mar19.225051.3633@pony.Ingres.COM> <1993Mar20.145223.18009@ncsu.edu> <1oi6kpINN1vu@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> Sender: usenet@balrog.ctron.com Reply-To: cyoung@cardinals.ctron.com (Christopher K. Young) Organization: Cabletron Systems INc. Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: cardinals I just have to tell this little incident: A priest of Tempus and a bard decided to have a drinking contest. They both started slugging down the tankards and each was a little pie eyed after a hour or so but still holding their water almost as dwarves (I exaggerate). Well the bard finished slugging off his round and put it down triumphantly when the priest grinned drunkingly and shouted "Vomit!" The bard violently puked all over the table and stared at the mess in perplexity while the barmaid lifted her eyes skyward and went out back to retrieve a mop and pail. The bard didn't understand what had happened to him and decided to call it a night, giving the win to the priest who continued to drink himself into nausea without the help of magic... Chris Young Article: 10899 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news From: dant@cs.utexas.edu (Dan Alexander Thompson) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Date: 25 Mar 1993 16:09:34 -0600 Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> <1993Mar25.014005.7915@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> NNTP-Posting-Host: latexo.cs.utexas.edu barnett@mummy.agsm.unsw.OZ.AU (Glen Barnett) writes: >alex@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Alexander Forst) writes: >>I don't have the PHB with me but I remember that you cannot use a word as >>a command which is also a noun. >>So IMO you can't use "sleep" or "shit" as commands. >This always strikes me a *weird*. >Remember, the command is *spoken*, not written. >I say that 'Die' could easily be mistaken for 'Dye', or indeed >for the name of a polyhedron with numbers or spots on the face. Why does everybody have so much trouble with this? The rule is that you can't use *a noun* as a command--NOT that you can't use *a word which can be both a noun and a verb*. The thing is, you have to use a verb. If that verb is "sleep" or "vomit" or "exit," that's fine. You just can't say "sleepiness" or "excrement" or "door," because it doesn't say what to do with those things. The rule was (presumably) made so that people couldn't use commands like "mace" and tell the DM that meant the monster would have to spend the next round repeatedly beating itself over the head with the priest's mace. After all, it really isn't very clear what that would mean. Priest: "Mace!" Orc: "What about it?" -- dant@cs.utexas.edu | The opinions expressed are yours, so get used to them. "Big Dan" | "Do you ever get the feeling that the story's too Dan A. Thompson | damn real and in the present tense?" --Jethro Tull Article: 10911 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!scsing.switch.ch!ira.uka.de!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!agate!elm From: elm@cs.berkeley.edu (ethan miller) Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Date: 25 Mar 93 16:16:54 Organization: Berkeley--Shaken, not Stirred Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1993Mar22.124840.7981@email.tuwien.ac.at> <1993Mar25.014005.7915@usage.csd.unsw.OZ.AU> Reply-To: elm@cs.berkeley.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: terrorism.cs.berkeley.edu In-reply-to: dant@cs.utexas.edu's message of 25 Mar 1993 16:09:34 -0600 In article dant@cs.utexas.edu (Dan Alexander Thompson) writes: =>>I say that 'Die' could easily be mistaken for 'Dye', or indeed =>>for the name of a polyhedron with numbers or spots on the face. => =>Why does everybody have so much trouble with this? => =>The rule is that you can't use *a noun* as a command--NOT that you can't use =>*a word which can be both a noun and a verb*. Besides, who said that the words for "small polyhedron" and "cease living" sound the same in Orcish? Chances are, they don't. In most languages besides English, nouns can't be mistaken for verbs -- they have different prefixes or suffixes. In Latin, the plural imperative ends in "ite." I don't know of any Latin declensions featuring such a suffix, so the verb couldn't be interpreted as a noun. (Of course, there's the problem that it's a plural form of the verb, but that's not so bad.) ethan -- +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+ ethan miller--cs grad student | "Why is it whatever we don't elm@cs.berkeley.edu | understand is called a 'thing'?" #include | -- "Bones" McCoy Article: 10906 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!blekul11!frmop11.cnusc.fr!barilvm!vms.huji.ac.il!pita.cs.huji.ac.il!pita.cs.huji.ac.il!et Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Mastubation (was Re: ADND priest spell command?) Message-ID: <1osm0rINNkkh@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> From: et@pita.cs.huji.ac.il (EYAL TELER) Date: 25 Mar 1993 16:18:35 GMT References: Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep. NNTP-Posting-Host: pita.cs.huji.ac.il Lines: 21 In article , venkman@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Mezo) writes: > |> We had a female Drow cleric back when I stil played First Edition and she |> worshipped the goddess whose primary aspect was LUST (All caps for a |> reason). Her dagger hilts were...um...phallic to say the least and her |> favorite usage of the command spell was 'MASTURBATE!'. This raises some interesting role playing problems. You might know how humans do it, but how do other races do it? Do dwarves suck on the handle of a hammer to get themselves aroused (especially female dwarves)? Do elves, who live for so long, take a long time doing it, so perhaps one round is not enough to even have them take of their clothes (they're just thinking of it)? Do orcs understand this word at all, or is it just a synonym for 'go out and rape someone"? Must gnomes have complicated mechanical devices for doing it? The list is endless. Think about it. ET Article: 10982 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!CSM560.smsu.edu!umn.edu!msus1.msus.edu!cobber!serhienk Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: Command spell thoughts Message-ID: <1993Mar26.174320.375@cobber.cord.edu> From: serhienk@cobber.cord.edu (David Serhienko) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 17:43:20 GMT References: <23MAR199321231905@loyola.edu> <1993Mar24.155322.23009@news.nd.edu> <1993Mar26.170606.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> Organization: Concordia College, Moorhead, MN Lines: 25 In article <1993Mar26.170606.1@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> engf002@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes: > >I have always played that the command used in a COMMAND spell must be an >intransitive verb (you know, verbs that don't take objects). > >So "Die!" or "Jump!" or "Dive!" or "Bleed!" or "Sing!" or >"Masterbate!" or "Salivate!" would be fine >but "Kill!" or "Drink!" or "Untie!" would not. > >Alanzar the Incongruous, Ensanguined and Self-Acclaimed In our campaign we have modified the effect of this spell as well as many others... we couldn't understand why there should be a limit to the number of words, but that the syllables could be varable. For instance, confabulate and sleep are both one word, and a crafty priest could come up with some REALLY nasty multisyllabic words (which ours proceded to do and we decided that the ruling should change). We say you can have one syllable for every spell level the character can cast. Thus if the character can do up to 5th level spells, the PC can Command 5 syllables, which can be used in sentences such as 'Go sleep in the river.' We find that this works pretty well. Vadenkai the slice'n'dice HalfDrow Article: 11008 of rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!psuvm!frmop11.cnusc.fr!barilvm!vms.huji.ac.il!pita.cs.huji.ac.il!pita.cs.huji.ac.il!et Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: Command spell thoughts Message-ID: <1ouph1INNj0m@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> From: et@pita.cs.huji.ac.il (EYAL TELER) Date: 26 Mar 1993 11:30:41 GMT References: <1993Mar24.155322.23009@news.nd.edu> Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew U. of Jerusalem, Computer Science Dep. NNTP-Posting-Host: pita.cs.huji.ac.il Lines: 23 In article , ldusseau@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Lisa Dusseault) writes: |> Command words are fun, aren't they! |> |> Against NPCs with classes, it's annoying enough just to make them do what they |> would normally never do. |> |> To a mage: "Fight!" |> To a paladin: "Torture!" |> To a thief: "Attack!" |> To a fighter: "Retreat!" |> To a priest: "Sin!" |> |> Lisa |> ldusseau@zeus.uwaterloo.ca I like "Torture". It really gets the paladin where it hurts. Fight and Attack are not so great, because a mage always fights - but with magic, and a thief usually attacks in battle, and a backstab attack after a long crawl is still an attack (although less effective, since it is expected). Retreat is just as effective as any other usual command. ET Article: 11026 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!news.ucs.mun.ca!cs.mun.ca!nadine.cs.mun.ca!stevenn From: stevenn@nadine.cs.mun.ca (Steven G. Newhook) Subject: Re: Command spell thoughts Message-ID: <1993Mar26.125725.15619@cs.mun.ca> Sender: usenet@cs.mun.ca (NNTP server account) Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland References: <23MAR199321231905@loyola.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 12:57:25 GMT Lines: 11 My personal favorite command usage was when there were two orcs(?) playing cards and I was captured. The two of them were "guarding" me so I wouldn't excape. One accused to other of cheating and was getting pretty steamed. When tension between them was high enough, I commanded one to "ATTACK". He did. The other returned with a punch. I escaped when the were preoccupied. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ... and a darkness shall fall upon those who do not bow to the rainbow pig. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - This has not been a paid political announcement. - stevenn@nadine.cs.mun.ca - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article: 11060 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!scsing.switch.ch!ira.uka.de!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!network.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!bruce.cs.monash.edu.au!monu6!mdw053.cc.monash.edu.au!int907a From: int907a@mdw053.cc.monash.edu.au (Eccles) Subject: Re: Command spell thoughts Message-ID: Sender: news@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Usenet system) Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. References: <1993Mar24.155322.23009@news.nd.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 01:22:53 GMT Lines: 29 ldusseau@zeus.UWaterloo.ca (Lisa Dusseault) writes: >Command words are fun, aren't they! >Against NPCs with classes, it's annoying enough just to make them do what they >would normally never do. >To a mage: "Fight!" He hits you >To a paladin: "Torture!" He tortures you >To a thief: "Attack!" He attacks you >To a fighter: "Retreat!" Might work >To a priest: "Sin!" Huh? too complicated. I'm playing a3rd level, bad-tempered cleric in a AD&D campaign at the moment... he got captured by slavers, and was _really_ shitted off (they stole his scale mail and metal is _real_ scarce)... the head jailer walked past... "Defecate!" Eccles Article: 11172 of rec.games.frp.dnd Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Path: email!news.univie.ac.at!paladin.american.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!beauty1.phy.olemiss.edu!hendrix From: hendrix@beauty1.phy.olemiss.edu (Kevin Hendrix) Subject: Re: ADND priest spell command? Message-ID: <1993Mar30.175443.24994@ra.msstate.edu> Sender: news@ra.msstate.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: beauty1.phy.olemiss.edu Organization: University of Mississippi High Energy Physics Group References: <1993Mar19.225051.3633@pony.Ingres.COM> <1993Mar20.145223.18009@ncsu.edu> <1oi6kpINN1vu@pita.cs.huji.ac.il> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1993 17:54:43 GMT Lines: 10 In article <1993Mar20.145223.18009@ncsu.edu>, cobra@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Brian Dunphy) writes: |> I had a mage/cleric who found 'strip' a useful command. Keeps most |> people occupied for a round, and when the rounds over.... |> |> Brian How 'bout a couple of other goodies ... like 'inhale' or 'exhale' (you ever try to do either EXCLUSIVELY for a full minute???) *grin* kevin